NEW INFO 5 Results from share redemption are posted. Less than .2% redeemed. Very bullish as investors are showing extreme confidence in the future of PLBY.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/playboy-mountain-crest-acquisition-corp-120000721.html
NEW INFO 4 Definitive Agreement to purchase 100% of Lovers brand stores announced 2/1.
https://www.streetinsider.com/Corporate+News/Playboy+%28MCAC%29+Confirms+Deal+to+Acquire+Lovers/17892359.html
NEW INFO 3 I bought more on the dip today. 5081 total. Price rose AH to $12.38 (2.15%)
NEW INFO 2 Here is the full webinar.
https://icrinc.zoom.us/rec/play/9GWKdmOYumjWfZuufW3QXpe_FW_g--qeNbg6PnTjTMbnNTgLmCbWjeRFpQga1iPc-elpGap8dnDv8Zww.yD7DjUwuPmapeEdP?continueMode=true&tk=lEYc4F_FkKlgsmCIs6w0gtGHT2kbgVGbUju3cIRBSjk.DQIAAAAV8NK49xZWdldRM2xNSFNQcTBmcE00UzM3bXh3AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA&uuid=WN_GKWqbHkeSyuWetJmLFkj4g&_x_zm_rtaid=kR45-uuqRE-L65AxLjpbQw.1611967079119.2c054e3d3f8d8e63339273d9175939ed&_x_zm_rhtaid=866
NEW INFO 1 Live merger webinar with PLBY and MCAC on Friday January 29, 2021 at 12:00 NOON EST link below
https://mcacquisition.com/investor-relations/press-release-details/2021/Playboy-Enterprises-Inc.-and-Mountain-Crest-Acquisition-Corp-Participate-in-SPACInsider-ICR-Webinar-on-January-29th-at-12pm-ET/default.aspx
Playboy going public: Porn, Gambling, and Cannabis
!!!WARNING READING AHEAD!!! TL;DR at the end. It will take some time to sort through all the links and read/watch everything, but you should.
In the next couple weeks, Mountain Crest Acquisition Corp is taking Playboy public. The existing ticker MCAC will become PLBY. Special purpose acquisition companies have taken private companies public in recent months with great success. I believe this will be no exception. Notably, Playboy is profitable and has skyrocketing revenue going into a transformational growth phase.
Porn - First and foremost, let's talk about porn. I know what you guys are thinking. “Porno mags are dead. Why would I want to invest in something like that? I can get porn for free online.” Guess what? You are absolutely right. And that’s exactly why Playboy doesn’t do that anymore. That’s right, they eliminated their print division. And yet they somehow STILL make money from porn that people (see: boomers) pay for on their website through PlayboyTV, Playboy Plus, and iPlayboy. Here’s the thing: Playboy has international, multi-generational name recognition from porn. They have content available in 180 countries. It will be the only publicly traded adult entertainment (porn) company. But that is not where this company is going. It will help support them along the way. You can see every Playboy magazine through iPlayboy if you’re interested. NSFW links below:
https://www.playboy.com/
https://www.playboytv.com/
https://www.playboyplus.com/
https://www.iplayboy.com/
Gambling - Some of you might recognize the Playboy brand from gambling trips to places like Las Vegas, Atlantic City, Cancun, London or Macau. They’ve been in the gambling biz for decades through their casinos, clubs, and licensed gaming products. They see the writing on the wall. COVID is accelerating the transition to digital, application based GAMBLING. That’s right. What we are doing on Robinhood with risky options is gambling, and the only reason regulators might give a shit anymore is because we are making too much money. There may be some restrictions put in place, but gambling from your phone on your couch is not going anywhere. More and more states are allowing things like Draftkings, poker, state ‘lottery” apps, hell - even political betting. Michigan and Virginia just ok’d gambling apps. They won’t be the last. This is all from your couch and any 18 year old with a cracked iphone can access it. Wouldn’t it be cool if Playboy was going to do something like that? They’re already working on it. As per CEO Ben Kohn who we will get to later, “...the company’s casino-style digital gaming products with Scientific Games and Microgaming continue to see significant global growth.” Honestly, I stopped researching Scientific Games' sports betting segment when I saw the word ‘omni-channel’. That told me all I needed to know about it’s success.
“Our SG Sports™ platform is an enhanced, omni-channel solution for online, self-service and retail fixed odds sports betting – from soccer to tennis, basketball, football, baseball, hockey, motor sports, racing and more.”
https://www.scientificgames.com/
https://www.microgaming.co.uk/
“This latter segment has become increasingly enticing for Playboy, and it said last week that it is considering new tie-ups that could include gaming operators like PointsBet and 888Holdings.”
https://calvinayre.com/2020/10/05/business/playboys-gaming-ops-could-get-a-boost-from-spac-purchase/
As per their SEC filing:
“Significant consumer engagement and spend with Playboy-branded gaming properties around the world, including with leading partners such as Microgaming, Scientific Games, and Caesar’s Entertainment, steers our investment in digital gaming, sports betting and other digital offerings to further support our commercial strategy to expand consumer spend with minimal marginal cost, and gain consumer data to inform go-to-market plans across categories.”
https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgadata/1803914/000110465921005986/tm2034213-12_defm14a.htm#tMDAA1
They are expanding into more areas of gaming/gambling, working with international players in the digital gaming/gambling arena, and a Playboy sportsbook is on the horizon.
https://www.playboy.com/read/the-pleasure-of-playing-with-yourself-mobile-gaming-in-the-covid-era
Cannabis - If you’ve ever read through a Playboy magazine, you know they’ve had a positive relationship with cannabis for many years. As of September 2020, Playboy has made a major shift into the cannabis space. Too good to be true you say? Check their website. Playboy currently sells a range of CBD products. This is a good sign. Federal hemp products, which these most likely are, can be mailed across state lines and most importantly for a company like Playboy, can operate through a traditional banking institution. CBD products are usually the first step towards the cannabis space for large companies. Playboy didn’t make these products themselves meaning they are working with a processor in the cannabis industry. Another good sign for future expansion. What else do they have for sale? Pipes, grinders, ashtrays, rolling trays, joint holders. Hmm. Ok. So it looks like they want to sell some shit. They probably don’t have an active interest in cannabis right? Think again:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/javierhasse/2020/09/24/playboy-gets-serious-about-cannabis-law-reform-advocacy-with-new-partnership-grants/?sh=62f044a65cea
“Taking yet another step into the cannabis space, Playboy will be announcing later on Thursday (September, 2020) that it is launching a cannabis law reform and advocacy campaign in partnership with National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws (NORML), Last Prisoner Project, Marijuana Policy Project, the Veterans Cannabis Project, and the Eaze Momentum Program.”
“According to information procured exclusively, the three-pronged campaign will focus on calling for federal legalization. The program also includes the creation of a mentorship plan, through which the Playboy Foundation will support entrepreneurs from groups that are underrepresented in the industry.” Remember that CEO Kohn from earlier? He wrote this recently:
https://medium.com/naked-open-letters-from-playboy/congress-must-pass-the-more-act-c867c35239ae
Seems like he really wants weed to be legal? Hmm wonder why? The writing's on the wall my friends. Playboy wants into the cannabis industry, they are making steps towards this end, and we have favorable conditions for legislative progress.
Don’t think branding your own cannabis line is profitable or worthwhile? Tell me why these 41 celebrity millionaires and billionaires are dummies. I’ll wait.
https://www.celebstoner.com/news/celebstoner-news/2019/07/12/top-celebrity-cannabis-brands/
Confirmation: I hear you. “This all seems pretty speculative. It would be wildly profitable if they pull this shift off. But how do we really know?” Watch this whole video:
https://finance.yahoo.com/video/playboy-ceo-telling-story-female-154907068.html
Man - this interview just gets my juices flowing. And highlights one of my favorite reasons for this play. They have so many different business avenues from which a catalyst could appear. I think paying attention, holding shares, and options on these staggered announcements over the next year is the way I am going to go about it. "There's definitely been a shift to direct-to-consumer," he (Kohn) said. "About 50 percent of our revenue today is direct-to-consumer, and that will continue to grow going forward.” “Kohn touted Playboy's portfolio of both digital and consumer products, with casino-style gaming, in particular, serving a crucial role under the company's new business model. Playboy also has its sights on the emerging cannabis market, from CBD products to marijuana products geared toward sexual health and pleasure.” "If THC does become legal in the United States, we have developed certain strains to enhance your sex life that we will launch," Kohn said. https://cheddar.com/media/playboy-goes-public-health-gaming-lifestyle-focus Oh? The CEO actually said it? Ok then. “We have developed certain strains…” They’re already working with growers on strains and genetics? Ok. There are several legal cannabis markets for those products right now, international and stateside. I expect Playboy licensed hemp and THC pre-rolls by EOY. Something like this: https://www.etsy.com/listing/842996758/10-playboy-pre-roll-tubes-limited?ga_order=most_relevant&ga_search_type=all&ga_view_type=gallery&ga_search_query=pre+roll+playboy&ref=sr_gallery-1-2&organic_search_click=1 Maintaining cannabis operations can be costly and a regulatory headache. Playboy’s licensing strategy allows them to pick successful, established partners and sidestep traditional barriers to entry. You know what I like about these new markets? They’re expanding. Worldwide. And they are going to be a bigger deal than they already are with or without Playboy. Who thinks weed and gambling are going away? Too many people like that stuff. These are easy markets. And Playboy is early enough to carve out their spot in each. Fuck it, read this too: https://www.forbes.com/sites/jimosman/2020/10/20/playboy-could-be-the-king-of-spacs-here-are-three-picks/?sh=2e13dcaa3e05
Numbers: You want numbers? I got numbers. As per the company’s most recent SEC filing:
“For the year ended December 31, 2019, and the nine months ended September 30, 2020, Playboy’s historical consolidated revenue was $78.1 million and $101.3 million, respectively, historical consolidated net income (loss) was $(23.6) million and $(4.8) million, respectively, and Adjusted EBITDA was $13.1 million and $21.8 million, respectively.”
“In the nine months ended September 30, 2020, Playboy’s Licensing segment contributed $44.2 million in revenue and $31.1 million in net income.”
“In the ninth months ended September 30, 2020, Playboy’s Direct-to-Consumer segment contributed $40.2 million in revenue and net income of $0.1 million.”
“In the nine months ended September 30, 2020, Playboy’s Digital Subscriptions and Content segment contributed $15.4 million in revenue and net income of $7.4 million.”
They are profitable across all three of their current business segments.
“Playboy’s return to the public markets presents a transformed, streamlined and high-growth business. The Company has over $400 million in cash flows contracted through 2029, sexual wellness products available for sale online and in over 10,000 major retail stores in the US, and a growing variety of clothing and branded lifestyle and digital gaming products.”
https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgadata/1803914/000110465921005986/tm2034213-12_defm14a.htm#tSHCF
Growth: Playboy has massive growth in China and massive growth potential in India. “In China, where Playboy has spent more than 25 years building its business, our licensees have an enormous footprint of nearly 2,500 brick and mortar stores and 1,000 ecommerce stores selling high quality, Playboy-branded men’s casual wear, shoes/footwear, sleepwear, swimwear, formal suits, leather & non-leather goods, sweaters, active wear, and accessories. We have achieved significant growth in China licensing revenues over the past several years in partnership with strong licensees and high-quality manufacturers, and we are planning for increased growth through updates to our men’s fashion lines and expansion into adjacent categories in men’s skincare and grooming, sexual wellness, and women’s fashion, a category where recent launches have been well received.” The men’s market in China is about the same size as the entire population of the United States and European Union combined. Playboy is a leading brand in this market. They are expanding into the women’s market too. Did you know CBD toothpaste is huge in China? China loves CBD products and has hemp fields that dwarf those in the US. If Playboy expands their CBD line China it will be huge. Did you know the gambling money in Macau absolutely puts Las Vegas to shame? Technically, it's illegal on the mainland, but in reality, there is a lot of gambling going on in China. https://www.forbes.com/sites/javierhasse/2020/10/19/magic-johnson-and-uncle-buds-cbd-brand-enter-china-via-tmall-partnership/?sh=271776ca411e “In India, Playboy today has a presence through select apparel licensees and hospitality establishments. Consumer research suggests significant growth opportunities in the territory with Playboy’s brand and categories of focus.” “Playboy Enterprises has announced the expansion of its global consumer products business into India as part of a partnership with Jay Jay Iconic Brands, a leading fashion and lifestyle Company in India.” “The Indian market today is dominated by consumers under the age of 35, who represent more than 65 percent of the country’s total population and are driving India’s significant online shopping growth. The Playboy brand’s core values of playfulness and exploration resonate strongly with the expressed desires of today’s younger millennial consumers. For us, Playboy was the perfect fit.” “The Playboy international portfolio has been flourishing for more than 25 years in several South Asian markets such as China and Japan. In particular, it has strategically targeted the millennial and gen-Z audiences across categories such as apparel, footwear, home textiles, eyewear and watches.” https://www.licenseglobal.com/industry-news/playboy-expands-global-footprint-india It looks like they gave COVID the heisman in terms of net damage sustained: “Although Playboy has not suffered any material adverse consequences to date from the COVID-19 pandemic, the business has been impacted both negatively and positively. The remote working and stay-at-home orders resulted in the closure of the London Playboy Club and retail stores of Playboy’s licensees, decreasing licensing revenues in the second quarter, as well as causing supply chain disruption and less efficient product development thereby slowing the launch of new products. However, these negative impacts were offset by an increase in Yandy’s direct-to-consumer sales, which have benefited in part from overall increases in online retail sales so far during the pandemic.” Looks like the positives are long term (Yandy acquisition) and the negatives are temporary (stay-at-home orders).
https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgadata/1803914/000110465921006093/tm213766-1_defa14a.htm
This speaks to their ability to maintain a financially solvent company throughout the transition phase to the aforementioned areas. They’d say some fancy shit like “expanded business model to encompass four key revenue streams: Sexual Wellness, Style & Apparel, Gaming & Lifestyle, and Beauty & Grooming.” I hear “we’re just biding our time with these trinkets until those dollar dollar bill y’all markets are fully up and running.” But the truth is these existing revenue streams are profitable, scalable, and rapidly expanding Playboy’s e-commerce segment around the world.
"Even in the face of COVID this year, we've been able to grow EBITDA over 100 percent and revenue over 68 percent, and I expect that to accelerate going into 2021," he said. “Playboy is accelerating its growth in company-owned and branded consumer products in attractive and expanding markets in which it has a proven history of brand affinity and consumer spend.”
Also in the SEC filing, the Time Frame:
“As we detailed in the definitive proxy statement, the SPAC stockholder meeting to vote on the transaction has been set for February 9th, and, subject to stockholder approval and satisfaction of the other closing conditions, we expect to complete the merger and begin trading on NASDAQ under ticker PLBY shortly thereafter,” concluded Kohn.
The Players: Suhail “The Whale” Rizvi (HMFIC), Ben “The Bridge” Kohn (CEO), “lil” Suying Liu & “Big” Dong Liu (Young-gun China gang). I encourage you to look these folks up. The real OG here is Suhail Rizvi. He’s from India originally and Chairman of the Board for the new PLBY company. He was an early investor in Twitter, Square, Facebook and others. His firm, Rizvi Traverse, currently invests in Instacart, Pinterest, Snapchat, Playboy, and SpaceX. Maybe you’ve heard of them. “Rizvi, who owns a sprawling three-home compound in Greenwich, Connecticut, and a 1.65-acre estate in Palm Beach, Florida, near Bill Gates and Michael Bloomberg, moved to Iowa Falls when he was five. His father was a professor of psychology at Iowa. Along with his older brother Ashraf, a hedge fund manager, Rizvi graduated from Wharton business school.” “Suhail Rizvi: the 47-year-old 'unsocial' social media baron: When Twitter goes public in the coming weeks (2013), one of the biggest winners will be a 47-year-old financier who guards his secrecy so zealously that he employs a person to take down his Wikipedia entry and scrub his photos from the internet. In IPO, Twitter seeks to be 'anti-FB'” “Prince Alwaleed bin Talal of Saudi Arabia looks like a big Twitter winner. So do the moneyed clients of Jamie Dimon. But as you’ve-got-to-be-joking wealth washed over Twitter on Thursday — a company that didn’t exist eight years ago was worth $31.7 billion after its first day on the stock market — the non-boldface name of the moment is Suhail R. Rizvi. Mr. Rizvi, 47, runs a private investment company that is the largest outside investor in Twitter with a 15.6 percent stake worth $3.8 billion at the end of trading on Thursday (November, 2013). Using a web of connections in the tech industry and in finance, as well as a hearty dose of good timing, he brought many prominent names in at the ground floor, including the Saudi prince and some of JPMorgan’s wealthiest clients.” https://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/08/technology/at-twitter-working-behind-the-scenes-toward-a-billion-dollar-payday.html Y’all like that Arab money? How about a dude that can call up Saudi Princes and convince them to spend? Funniest shit about I read about him: “Rizvi was able to buy only $100 million in Facebook shortly before its IPO, thus limiting his returns, according to people with knowledge of the matter.” Poor guy :(
He should be fine with the 16 million PLBY shares he's going to have though :)
Shuhail also has experience in the entertainment industry. He’s invested in companies like SESAC, ICM, and Summit Entertainment. He’s got Hollywood connections to blast this stuff post-merger. And he’s at least partially responsible for that whole Twilight thing. I’m team Edward btw.
I really like what Suhail has done so far. He’s lurked in the shadows while Kohn is consolidating the company, trimming the fat, making Playboy profitable, and aiming the ship at modern growing markets.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-twitter-ipo-rizvi-insight/insight-little-known-hollywood-investor-poised-to-score-with-twitter-ipo-idUSBRE9920VW20131003
Ben “The Bridge” Kohn is an interesting guy. He’s the connection between Rizvi Traverse and Playboy. He’s both CEO of Playboy and was previously Managing Partner at Rizvi Traverse. Ben seems to be the voice of the Playboy-Rizvi partnership, which makes sense with Suhail’s privacy concerns. Kohn said this:
“Today is a very big day for all of us at Playboy and for all our partners globally. I stepped into the CEO role at Playboy in 2017 because I saw the biggest opportunity of my career. Playboy is a brand and platform that could not be replicated today. It has massive global reach, with more than $3B of global consumer spend and products sold in over 180 countries. Our mission – to create a culture where all people can pursue pleasure – is rooted in our 67-year history and creates a clear focus for our business and role we play in people’s lives, providing them with the products, services and experiences that create a lifestyle of pleasure. We are taking this step into the public markets because the committed capital will enable us to accelerate our product development and go-to-market strategies and to more rapidly build our direct to consumer capabilities,” said Ben Kohn, CEO of Playboy.
“Playboy today is a highly profitable commerce business with a total addressable market projected in the trillions of dollars,” Mr. Kohn continued, “We are actively selling into the Sexual Wellness consumer category, projected to be approximately $400 billion in size by 2024, where our recently launched intimacy products have rolled out to more than 10,000 stores at major US retailers in the United States. Combined with our owned & operated ecommerce Sexual Wellness initiatives, the category will contribute more than 40% of our revenue this year. In our Apparel and Beauty categories, our collaborations with high-end fashion brands including Missguided and PacSun are projected to achieve over $50M in retail sales across the US and UK this year, our leading men’s apparel lines in China expanded to nearly 2500 brick and mortar stores and almost 1000 digital stores, and our new men’s and women’s fragrance line recently launched in Europe. In Gaming, our casino-style digital gaming products with Scientific Games and Microgaming continue to see significant global growth. Our product strategy is informed by years of consumer data as we actively expand from a purely licensing model into owning and operating key high-growth product lines focused on driving profitability and consumer lifetime value. We are thrilled about the future of Playboy. Our foundation has been set to drive further growth and margin, and with the committed capital from this transaction and our more than $180M in NOLs, we will take advantage of the opportunity in front of us, building to our goal of $100M of adjusted EBITDA in 2025.”
https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20201001005404/en/Playboy-to-Become-a-Public-Company
Also, according to their Form 4s, “Big” Dong Liu and “lil” Suying Liu just loaded up with shares last week. These guys are brothers and seem like the Chinese market connection. They are only 32 & 35 years old. I don’t even know what that means, but it's provocative.
https://www.secform4.com/insider-trading/1832415.htm
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/mountain-crest-acquisition-corp-ii-002600994.html
Y’all like that China money?
“Mr. Liu has been the Chief Financial Officer of Dongguan Zhishang Photoelectric Technology Co., Ltd., a regional designer, manufacturer and distributor of LED lights serving commercial customers throughout Southern China since November 2016, at which time he led a syndicate of investments into the firm. Mr. Liu has since overseen the financials of Dongguan Zhishang as well as provided strategic guidance to its board of directors, advising on operational efficiency and cash flow performance. From March 2010 to October 2016, Mr. Liu was the Head of Finance at Feidiao Electrical Group Co., Ltd., a leading Chinese manufacturer of electrical outlets headquartered in Shanghai and with businesses in the greater China region as well as Europe.”
Dr. Suying Liu, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of Mountain Crest Acquisition Corp., commented, “Playboy is a unique and compelling investment opportunity, with one of the world’s largest and most recognized brands, its proven consumer affinity and spend, and its enormous future growth potential in its four product segments and new and existing geographic regions. I am thrilled to be partnering with Ben and his exceptional team to bring his vision to fruition.”
https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20201001005404/en/Playboy-to-Become-a-Public-Company
These guys are good. They have a proven track record of success across multiple industries. Connections and money run deep with all of these guys. I don’t think they’re in the game to lose.
I was going to write a couple more paragraphs about why you should have a look at this but really the best thing you can do is read this SEC filing from a couple days ago. It explains the situation in far better detail. Specifically, look to page 137 and read through their strategy. Also, look at their ownership percentages and compensation plans including the stock options and their prices. The financials look great, revenue is up 90% Q3, and it looks like a bright future.
https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgadata/1803914/000110465921005986/tm2034213-12_defm14a.htm#tSHCF
I’m hesitant to attach this because his position seems short term, but I’m going to with a warning because he does hit on some good points (two are below his link) and he’s got a sizable position in this thing (500k+ on margin, I think). I don’t know this guy but he did look at the same publicly available info and make roughly the same prediction, albeit without the in depth gambling or cannabis mention. You can also search reddit for ‘MCAC’ and very few relevant results come up and none of them even come close to really looking at this thing.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gOvAd6lebs452hFlWWbxVjQ3VMsjGBkbJeXRwDwIJfM/edit?usp=sharing
“Also, before you people start making claims that Playboy is a “boomer” company, STOP RIGHT THERE. This is not a good argument. Simply put. The only thing that matters is Playboy’s name recognition, not their archaic business model which doesn’t even exist anymore as they have completely repurposed their business.”
“Imagine not buying $MCAC at a 400M valuation lol. Streetwear department is worth 1B alone imo.”
Considering the ridiculous Chinese growth as a lifestyle brand, he’s not wrong.
Current Cultural Significance and Meme Value: A year ago I wouldn’t have included this section but the events from the last several weeks (even going back to tsla) have proven that a company’s ability to meme and/or gain social network popularity can have an effect. Tik-tok, Snapchat, Twitch, Reddit, Youtube, Facebook, Twitter. They all have Playboy stuff on them. Kids in middle and highschool know what Playboy is but will likely never see or touch one of the magazines in person. They’ll have a Playboy hoodie though. Crazy huh? A lot like GME, PLBY would hugely benefit from meme-value stock interest to drive engagement towards their new business model while also building strategic coffers. This interest may not directly and/or significantly move the stock price but can generate significant interest from larger players who will.
Bull Case: The year is 2025. Playboy is now the world leader pleasure brand. They began by offering Playboy licensed gaming products, including gambling products, direct to consumers through existing names. By 2022, demand has skyrocketed and Playboy has designed and released their own gambling platforms. In 2025, they are also a leading cannabis brand in the United States and Canada with proprietary strains and products geared towards sexual wellness. Cannabis was legalized in the US in 2023 when President Biden got glaucoma but had success with cannabis treatment. He personally pushes for cannabis legalization as he steps out of office after his first term. Playboy has also grown their brand in China and India to multi-billion per year markets. The stock goes up from 11ish to 100ish and everyone makes big gains buying somewhere along the way.
Bear Case: The United States does a complete 180 on marijuana and gambling. President Biden overdoses on marijuana in the Lincoln bedroom when his FDs go tits up and he loses a ton of money in his sports book app after the Fighting Blue Hens narrowly lose the National Championship to Bama. Playboy is unable to expand their cannabis and gambling brands but still does well with their worldwide lifestyle brand. They gain and lose some interest in China and India but the markets are too large to ignore them completely. The stock goes up from 11ish to 13ish and everyone makes 15-20% gains.
TL;DR: Successful technology/e-commerce investment firm took over Playboy to turn it into a porn, online gambling/gaming, sports book, cannabis company, worldwide lifestyle brand that promotes sexual wellness, vetern access, women-ownership, minority-ownership, and “pleasure for all”. Does a successful online team reinventing an antiquated physical copy giant sound familiar? No options yet, shares only for now. $11.38 per share at time of writing. My guess? $20 by the end of February. $50 by EOY. This is not financial advice. I am not qualified to give financial advice. I’m just sayin’ I would personally use a Playboy sports book app while smoking a Playboy strain specific joint and it would be cool if they did that. Do your own research. You’d probably want to start here:
WARNING - POTENTIALLY NSFW - SEXY MODELS AHEAD - no actual nudity though
https://s26.q4cdn.com/895475556/files/doc_presentations/Playboy-Craig-Hallum-Conference-Investor-Presentation-11_17_20-compressed.pdf
Or here:
https://www.mcacquisition.com/investor-relations/default.aspx
Jimmy Chill: “Get into any SPAC at $10 or $11 and you are going to make money.”
STL;DR: Buy MCAC. MCAC > PLBY couple weeks. Rocketship. Moon.
Position: 5000 shares. I will buy short, medium, and long-dated calls once available.

Below is a rundown of letters J-L of Epstein's contacts. Last year, I wrote about letters A-C. You can check that out here (https://www.reddit.com/conspiracy/comments/cpis3n/a_brief_rundown_of_the_first_ten_pages_of_jeffrey/).
I also wrote about letters D-F on July 5, 2020. You can check that out here (https://www.reddit.com/conspiracy/comments/hlrba8/a_notsobrief_rundown_of_letters_df_in_jeffrey/).
I posted letters G-I on July 13, 2020. You can check that out here (https://www.reddit.com/conspiracy/comments/hqko0y/a_notsobrief_rundown_of_letters_gi_in_jeffrey/). There are some misspelled names. Epstein entered their names like this.
I have bolded some of the more interesting connections and information, but there could be much more that I overlooked. I hope something here strikes an interest in someone and maybe we can get more investigations out of this. Please, if you know anything more about any of these people than what is presented here, post below. I am working off of the unredacted black book found here: https://www.coreysdigs.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Jeffrey-Epsteins-Little-Black-Book-unredacted.pdf
J-L
Jackson, Michael (Samuel Gen): Yes, this is a reference to MJ the singer. However, the numbers listed are not MJ’s. They belong to Samuel Gen, a lawyer for a financial advisor (Jerry Seinfeld’s brother-in-law) who worked for MJ for a while. This one was a reach for Epstein.
Jacobson, Julian: Likely a reference to a Managing Director at several London-based investment firms.
Jagger, Mick: World-famous lead singer of the Rolling Stones. Has been seen in photographs with Ghislaine Maxwell. Actress Rae Dawn Chong claims she slept with Jagger when she was 15 years old.
Jagger, Hatti: Former fashion director for Vogue, Harper’s, and Tatler. Also works as a celebrity stylist and at fashion shows.
jake: Not enough info.
Jameel, Mohammed: Saudi Arabian businessman. CEO of Abdul Latif Jameel, a collective of family-owned businesses that specialize in transportation, investing, and real estate. Royal pervert Prince Andrew infamously partied on Jameel’s yacht during the 2011 London riots (source: https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrew-frolicks-on-yacht-with-mystery-147496).
James, Susie: Founder and owner of 123 Send Ltd, a company that provides payment terminals.
Janklow, Linda: Literary agent and wife of Mort Janklow, the primary owner of Janklow & Nesbit Associates, the largest literary agency in the world. Attended a party hosted by Sony Pictures with Epstein, although they are not pictured together (source: https://www.patrickmcmullan.com/search/?event=5b3ef4fb9f92906676446c21). In 2007, Ghislaine Maxwell threw an exclusive party (80 carefully selected guests) at her NYC townhouse to celebrate the opening of a new shop by designer Allegra Hicks (granddaughter-in-law of Earl Mountbatten, who you can read more about in my G-I Epstein thread under India Hicks’s name). One of the eighty guests was Julie Landlow, daughter of Linda and Mort.
Jarecki, Nancy & Andrew: Andrew is a filmmaker, co-founder of Moviefone, and was a producer on Catfish, the documentary that launched the popular MTV show. Andrew’s family was reportedly friends with Jeffrey Epstein. There is an EXCELLENT thread on the connections between the Jarecki family (especially Andrew and Nick’s father, Henry) and Epstein here (source: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1200044576947556352.html). Quick summary: Henry was born in Nazi Germany; flew on the Lolita Express; is an expert in psychotropic drugs; owns two islands in the British Virgin Islands; founded the first youth center in the British Virgin Islands; lived 2 miles from Epstein in NYC; owns and donates to many sketchy foundations, schools, and organizations; has donated at least $1 million to leftist organizations). Andrew’s wife Nancy created bettybeauty, a company that specializes in hair dye for your nether regions (not kidding).
Jarecki, Nick: The movie director brother of Andrew and son of Henry Jarecki (see link under Andrew & Nancy Jarecki for more info). Reportedly dated Courtney Love (also in Epstein’s ‘Black Book’) in 2015. Photographed with Ghislaine Maxwell at a Gucci party (source: https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/ghislaine-maxwell-and-nick-jarecki-attend-gucci-hosts-a-news-photo/591605562).
Jason (canada): Not enough info. Could be artist Jason Wasserman based out of Canada. The second number listed traces back to Station 16 Gallery in Montreal.
Javier: Javier Banon is former Co-head of Merchant Banking at Lehman Brothers and current Founding Partner of Trilantic Europe.
Jeffries, Tim: Ownedirector of Hamiltons Gallery in London. Best known for dating models Elle Macpherson, Claudia Schiffer, Kylie Minogue and Sophie Dahl (also in Epstein’s ‘Black Book’). Jefferies has attended fundraisers for ARK Academy and the NSPCC. He truly cares about children.
Johnson, Richard & Nadine: Nadine is a millionaire public relations guru. Nadine is a good friend of Ghislaine Maxwell’s. Some clients of Nadine Johnson include spirit cooking extraordinaire Marina Abramovic and hotelier Andre Balazs, good friend of Ghislaine. Richard is one of the most well-known gossip columnists and was the editor of Page Six for twenty-five years. There is a great thread detailing the Johnsons’ ties to the Clintons, Balazs, and others here (source: https://threader.app/thread/1162148078981394432). Basically, Richard Johnson is friendly with the Clintons and, as Page Six Editor, purposely did not report or downplayed stories on the Clintons and Nadine’s clients. He also took bribes. Considering Nadine is a good friend of Ghislaine, it would not be a stretch to assume that Richard could have buried stories on Maxwell and Epstein. I could spend 10 pages on the shady connections these two have.
Johnson, Lucy: Not enough info.
Jones, Ann & Mick: Mick is the guitarist of Foreigner, an immensely popular rock band in the ‘70s and ‘80s. His wife, Ann, is a jewelry designer, and friend of Ghislaine. Ann Jones was photographed at a party with Ghislaine and Donald Trump in 1997 (source: https://www.the-sun.com/news/85818/epstein-madam-ghislaine-maxwell-milked-billionaire-dad-and-threw-lavish-parties-with-beautiful-women/)
Josephson, Barry & Jackie: Barry is a producer and the former President of Production for Columbia Pictures. Jackie is his ex-wife and also a producer.
Karella, Kalliope: Wife of Prince Pierre d’Arenberg. Kalliope is a good friend of Ghislaine Maxwell.
Kastner, Ron: No info found.
Katz, Anton & Robin Plant: Anton is CEO and co-founder of Talos Trading, which specializes in cryptocurrency. Anton and Robin are friends of and have been photographed with Ghislaine (source: https://www.patrickmcmullan.com/search/?person=5b3ef50c9f929066764df255).
Katzeneilenbogen, Mark: Long-time investment banker who used to be based out of South Africa.
Keeling, Sarah: There is a Sarah Keeling in London who is a former British government official with 20 years of experience in national security and intelligence experience, however, the phone number listed has a 410 area code, which leads back to eastern Maryland. Inconclusive.
Kegan, Rory: A nightclub designer and creator. Co-founder of the exclusive, celebrity-filled London nightclub, Chinawhite. Prince Andrew (source: https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9818190/prince-andrew-pictures-cast-doubt-epstein-sex-slave/) and Prince Albert of Monaco are regulars. Chelsea Clinton has been there, as well (source: https://www.standard.co.uk/news/bright-night-for-china-white-6299739.html). Other patrons include: Prince Andrew, Kate Middleton, George Clooney, Leonardo DiCaprio, and more.
Keidan, Amanda: Owner of Keidan Jewelry.
Keidan, Jon: An entertainment executive-turned-venture capitalist. As an entertainment exec, Keidan worked with John Legend, Dave Matthews Band, and Nappy Roots. Keidan serves on the Council of Foreign Relations, a powerful group that some believe determines foreign policy. Former and current members include former presidents, current and former politicians, business magnates, and celebrities (https://www.cfr.org/membership/roster).
Keller, Georgie: Interior designer.
Kellette Frayse, Caroline: Fashion editor at Vogue and Tatler (both magazines constantly come up in Epstein’s contacts). Former girlfriend of Imran Khan, whose name has come up frequently. Passed away in 2014. Her husband, Jean-Marc Fraysse, is a French investment banker.
Kelmenson, Leo-Arthur & Gayl: Leo was an advertising and marketing guru who has been credited with saving Chrysler. Friend and advisor to Lee Iacocca, former President of Chrysler. He worked as Special Project Officer for the U.S. Department of State under President John F. Kennedy and AG Robert F. Kennedy. He had tons of connections. His former maid accused him of sexual harassment in 2010 (source: https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/maid-harassment-suit-claims-ad-exec-leo-arthur-kelmenson-madman-pervy-mad-men-wannabe-article-1.156915). Kelmenson died less than two months after the story came out.
Kennedy Cuomo, Andrew & Kerry: Andrew is the current governor of New York. It’s no secret that Cuomo is willing to look the other way on sexual deviancy as long as he receives a payoff. Cuomo halted a probe into the handling of Harvey Weinstein’s case in New York after receiving $25,000 from Weinstein’s law firm (source: https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/bjbqg4/andrew-cuomo-received-dollar25000-donation-from-harvey-weinsteins-law-firm). Andrew’s brother, CNN Host Chris Cuomo famously told viewers “not to get caught up in the intrigue of who Epstein’s friends are” (source: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/07/11/cnn_cuomo_lets_not_get_caught_up_in_the_intrigue_of_who_was_friends_with_jeffrey_epstein.html). Perhaps, he was covering for his brother. Kerry Kennedy is Cuomo’s ex-wife of fifteen years, the daughter of RFK, and a close friend of Ghislaine Maxwell. Supposedly, Kennedy provided Ghislaine with informal illegal advice (source: https://www.splicetoday.com/politics-and-media/the-nth-word-and-m-theory).
Kennedy Jr. Ted: Son of Ted Kennedy and nephew of JFK and RFK. Ted Jr. dabbled in politics and currently works as a lawyer. His father, Ted, was a notorious sexual abuser (allegedly).
Kennedy, Bobby & Mary: Bobby is the son of RFK and nephew of JFK. Bobby is a known drug abuser and philanderer. Bobby kept a sex journal detailing his conquests while he was married (source: https://nypost.com/2013/09/08/rfk-jr-s-sex-diary-of-adultery/). His ex-wife, Mary, committed “suicide” two years after their divorce. Before committing suicide, Mary told a friend that she “feared for her life” and Bobby told her that she “would be better off dead” (source: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3231043/How-serial-cheater-Bobby-Kennedy-Jr-strutted-family-home-exposing-private-parts-demanded-m-nage-trois-wife-Mary-went-public-Cheryl-Hines-telling-Mary-things-easier-killed-herself.html).
Kennedy, Ethel: Widow of RFK Sr. and mother of eleven, including Bobby Kennedy, Kerry Kennedy, and Joseph Kennedy II.
Kennedy, Jo: Joseph Kennedy II is the son of RFK Sr. and Ethel. Served in the House of Representatives from 1987-1999. In 1973, Joseph was convicted of negligent driving after paralyzing a young woman. He was fined $100.
Kennedy, Senator Edward: Brother of JFK and RFK, Ted Kennedy served as U.S. Senator of Massachusetts for 47 years. Besides politics, Ted is best known for the Chappaquiddick incident in which a young female speechwriter for RFK drowned to death when he lost control of his vehicle while driving across a bridge. He was charged with leaving the scene of an incident and given a two month suspended sentence. Ted was also notorious for his extramarital affairs. Senator Kennedy once hosted a party at his house attended by Bill Clinton and Lynn Forester de Rothschild. Rothschild wrote a letter to Clinton afterwards in which she mentions that they spoke about Epstein (source: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7283825/Jeffrey-Epstein-injured-jail-cell-following-possible-suicide-assault.html). It is unclear what was said or what Rothschild’s connection could possibly be.
Kersner, Sol: South African accountant and hotel and casino magnate who died of cancer in 2020. Kerzner was a close friend of Donald Trump. They even worked together to create The Palm, a man-made island off the coast of Dubai (source: https://www.ft.com/content/46393280-d9f9-11da-b7de-0000779e2340). Kerzner was also close friends with Sarah Ferguson, Duchess of York (https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/sarah-ferguson-the-duchess-of-york-sol-kerzner-chairman-and-news-photo/83768272), Naomi Campbell (https://www.gettyimages.ca/detail/news-photo/naomi-campbell-and-sol-kerzner-pose-backstage-during-the-news-photo/82869744), and Bill Clinton (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8144647/As-Sol-Kerzner-dies-aged-84-RICHARD-KAY-looks-riotously-louche-life.html). Kerzner was very good friends with Nelson Mandela and built his casino resorts with Gerard Inzerillo, who you can read about in my G-I ‘Black Book’ thread.
Khayat, Antoine, Jana, & George: Jana is an heiress and businesswoman. Jana is the niece of Galen Weston, a close friend of Prince Charles. George is her brother and CEO of Associated British Foods. Jana’s husband, Antoine, is a former banker and currently runs their vineyard.
Kidd, Jemma: Kidd is a British makeup artist, fashion model, and aristocrat. Married to Arthur Wellesley, Earl of Mornington, the son of the Duke and Duchess of Wellington, making her a Countess. Kidd is an interesting figure with elite connections. From 2005-2012, Ghislaine Maxwell served as Director of Jemma Kidd Make-Up Limited, a U.K. makeup company, which was founded by Kidd. Not only did Ghislaine serve as Director, but she was also a shareholder, along with the Rothschild family (source: https://nationalpost.com/news/world/in-hiding-for-years-epstein-accomplice-ghislaine-maxwell-spotted-in-l-a-burger-shop). If you click around the PDFs on this website (https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/05340072/filing-history), you can see everything. The 16 JUN 2006 PDF on page 3 shows you a list of Officers and shareholders of the company. Jemma Kidd has also attended charity events for the National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children (NSPCC) (https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-beckham-nspcc-party-jemma-kidd-106882170.html). Her sister, Jodie, is also a huge supportefundraiser of the NSPCC, as well as the Help a London Child and Monsoon Accessorize Trust charities, both of which help out disadvantaged children (source: https://www.looktothestars.org/celebrity/jodie-kidd).
King, Abby: No info found.
Kirwin Taylor, Charlie & Helen: Charles is an investment banker. He was former CEO of Credit Suisse in Switzerland, an investment firm which shows up a few times through Epstein’s contacts. His wife, Helen, is a journalist.
Kirwin Taylor, Peter: British financier. Was a member of the Pilgrims Society (https://isgp-studies.com/pilgrims-society-membership-list), a group that has included the Rothschilds, Rockefellers, and other elites amongst its ranks.
Kissinger, Dr. Henry A: Former U.S. Secretary of State and National Security Advisor under Nixon. Kissinger has long been accused of committing war crimes (ex: carpet bombing Cambodia, installing fascist governments in Chile and Argentina, genocide, extending our stay in Vietnam, etc) yet somehow managed to win a Nobel Peace Prize in 1973. Kissinger once said, “Military men are dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns for foreign policy.” Kissinger served with Epstein on the Trilateral Commission. Kissinger has also been a member of the Bilderberg Group, the Council on Foreign Relations, the Aspen Institute, and Bohemian Grove. Long thought to be an advocate for a globalist New World Order, Kissinger is a scumbag of the highest order. His connections with Gates, the Clintons, Bush Sr. and Jr., the Rockefellers, and the Rothschilds are well-documented. If anyone here has ever done any research regarding the NWO, you have undoubtedly seen Kissinger’s name several times.
Klee, Rupert & Charlotte de: Rupert is a Director with Oakridge Group, a property development and investment company. His wife, Charlotte, is the producer of the religious plays at Wintershall.
Klesch, Johnathan: Former Director of Klesch Trading, which specializes in industrial commodities. It has offices in Russia, Malta, Surrey, and in London, down the block from Buckingham Palace.
Koch, David: Co-founder of Koch Industries, a diversified manufacturing conglomerate. Koch Industries has stolen oil from Indian reservations, committed hundreds of polluting, labor, and workplace safety violations. When he ran on the Libertarian ticket as the vice presidential nominee in 1980, Koch aimed to abolish Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, welfare benefits, and minimum wage. Koch and Epstein were friends. Epstein even attended a party at Koch’s Southampton home (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7270735/Jeffrey-Epstein-Trumps-closest-advisers-Wilbur-Ross-Rudy-Giuliani-Steve-Mnunchin.html). Koch has also been photographed with Ghislaine Maxwell (https://www.reddit.com/KochWatch/comments/dcjth3/david_koch_ghislaine_maxwell_getty_images/). Thankfully, Koch died last year.
Kohl, Astrid: A businesswoman involved in pharmaceuticals. Married to Prince Alexander of Liechtenstein. Daughter-in-law of Prince Philipp of Liechtenstein. Niece of former German Chancellor, Helmut Kohl.
Kotic, Boby: CEO of Activision Blizzard, a video game holding company. Used to run several electronic companies. From 2003-2008, he was a director at Yahoo! In 2012, he became a non-executive director of Coca-Cola.
Kotze, Alex Von: British businessman involved in the tech industry.
Kravetz, Anna: Not much info found. Has a degree in finance from Wharton School and used to live on Park Avenue in NYC.
Krooth, Caryn: A successful real estate agent based out of Los Angeles
Kudrow, Alistar: No info found.
Lal, Dalamal: Director of Akron Corp. & Akron (Nig.) Ltd., a food and beverage import company based out of Nigeria.
Lalaunis, Demetra: Daughter of Ilias Lalaounis, a pioneer in Greek jewelry and a world renowned goldsmith.
Lambert, Christopher: Well-known actor.
Lambert, David: Former partner, managing director, and VP at Goldman Sachs.
Lambert, Edward: Lampert is a billionaire hedge fund manager and former CEO of Sears. Lampert graduated from Yale University in 1984 where he was a member of Skull and Bones. Rumored pedophile David Geffen gave Lampert $200 million to invest in 1992, when Lampert was just 29 years old. Lampert made Geffen $1 billion.
Lambos Duff & John: Karen “Duff” Duffy is an actress, model, and TV personality. She has had memorable roles as the love interest in “Blank Check” and as JP Shay in “Dumb and Dumber.” Duffy has battled with sarcoidosis, a deadly central nervous system disease, since the mid-’90s. She credits Harvey Weinstein with saving her life (https://nypost.com/2000/10/03/coping-with-class-this-model-patient-suffers-in-style/). John is a former banker with Morgan Stanley and current President of GCA-US, an investment banking company.
Lang, Caroline: An art expert and Chairman at Sotheby’s Switzerland.
Lange, Dieter: Former Partner at WilliamHare, an international law firm with offices in London, Berlin, the U.S., Beijing, and Brussels. Passed away in 2010.
Larsen Janet: The only one I can find is a Business Psychologist based out of London.
Laurie, Jonathan: Founder and CEO of Cheyne Capital Management, an alternate investment fund firm.
Lavlada, Laura D.B. de: Laura Diez Barroso is a Mexican businesswoman. She sold her stock in Televisa for $726 million in 1993. Since then, she has been the head of several other companies.
Lawford Christopher & Jean: Christopher was an actor and relative of the Kennedys. His uncles were JFK, RFK, and Ted Kennedy. Many of his relatives appear in Epstein’s ‘Black Book’. His first wife, Jeannie, was an ad-sales associate for New York Magazine.
Lawton Paul: Two British businessmen with the same name come up. Both have extensive resumes. Could be either one.
Lazar, Christopher & Marie: Christophe seems to be a realtor in Paris, but I am not completely sure.
Le Bon, Simon & Jasmine: Simon is the lead singer of Duran Duran. His wife, Yasmin, is/was a fashion model. Yasmin is represented by Models1 in London. Models1 also represents Epstein and Ghislaine’s friend, Naomi Campbell. Le Bon has been accused of sexual assault in the past (https://www.freep.com/story/news/2018/07/12/simon-le-bons-accuser-sex-assault-claim-speaks-out-awful/777106002/).
Le Fur, Jean-Yves: French businessman and magazine creator. He was once Princess Stephanie of Monaco’s ex-fiance. More notably, Le Fur was the one who discovered supermodel Karen Mulder (his girlfriend at the time) on the floor after she attempted suciide. Mulder blew the lid off the rampant rape and sexual abuse that she and her modeling colleagues had suffered at the hands of businessmen, royalty, celebrities, and government officials. She was even the protege of Epstein collaborator (allegedly), Jean Luc Brunel (https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article238351108.html).
Le Marg Willie: No info found.
Lea, Piers: CEO of Learning Technologies Group, a workplace digital learning company.
Leeds, Jeffrey: Co-founder and Managing Partner of Leeds Equity. One of Leeds Equity’s partner companies is Endeavor Schools, which runs private preschools, primary schools, and secondary schools in Florida and 11 other states (https://www.leedsequity.com/news/articles/leeds-equity-partners-completes-investment-in-endeavor-schools). They are also partners with Fusion Educational Group (now Fusion Academy), which runs a chain of private secondary schools (https://www.leedsequity.com/news/articles/leeds-equity-partners-completes-investment-in-fusion-education-group). Former teacher Kris White, now the head of Fusion Academy in Palo Alto, allegedly told a student that he was in love with her and wrote her a note saying he was “obsessed” with her. (https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/07/12/teachers-named-in-presentation-high-sex-investigation-kept-working-as-bay-area-educators-for-years/). This story was just published on July 12, 2020. Hypothetically, if one wanted to procure underage children, it would certainly help if the head of the school was on board and possibly a pedophile himself. According to this former teacher at Fusion Academy, “many students struggle with learning differences, behavioral issues, and/or addictions” (https://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Employee-Review-Fusion-Academy-RVW21260629.htm). In other words, the downtrodden and vulnerable. Fusion Academy refers to itself as a non-traditional school that focuses on individual students. Seems like a great opportunity. Leeds was also good friends with Epstein (https://nymag.com/nymetro/news/people/n_7912/) and has close ties to Colin Powell and Rudy Giuliani (https://nypost.com/2016/09/14/colin-powell-wont-vote-for-her-because-of-bill-clinton/).
Lefcourt, Jerry: Famous lawyer who defended Epstein in 2007. That same year, Epstein donated $250,000 to the Washington-based Foundation for Criminal Justice, where Lefcourt was a board member.
Lester, Dominick: Founder and owner of MortgageFlex Systems, a mortgage lending company.
Levine, Phillip: Ex-Miami Beach mayor and close friend of Bill and Hillary Clinton. He claims that he doesn’t know how Epstein got his contact information… all 13 phone numbers, including those of his driver and housekeepers (https://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/ex-miami-beach-mayor-philip-levine-listed-13-times-in-jeffrey-epsteins-black-book-11242116)!
Liman, Doug: Popular Hollywood director and producer. He directed Swingers, The Bourne Identity, and a couple of Tom Cruise movies.
Lindeman-Barnet, Sloan & Roger: Sloan has been a New York Times bestseller and an on-air and print reporter for NBC, ABC, and Reuters. Sloan and Roger also sit on the board of the Spence School in New York City, a private K-12 all-girls school (https://www.spenceschool.org/2017---news-detail?pk=999120). Her husband, Roger, is the founder of beauty.com and Chairman and CEO of Shaklee, a highly successful nutrition company. Donald Trump, Melania Trump, and Ghislaine Maxwell all attended the publication party for Sloan’s book in 2008 (https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/ghislaine-maxwell-anton-katz-and-robin-katz-attend-sloan-news-photo/619921016 ; https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/news-photo/donald-trump-melania-trump-sloan-barnett-and-roger-barnett-news-photo/619921180).Other guests included Steve Mnuchin, Epstein and Maxwell chum Carol Mack, and a bunch of others also featured in Epstein’s ‘Black Book’ (Colin Cowie, Anton and Robin Katz, and Vittorio Assaf).
Lindemann, Adam & Elizabeth: Adam is a billionaire investor and art gallery owner. Brother of Sloan (mentioned just above). Elizabeth is his ex-wife. She is often photographed with many other people mentioned in Epstein’s ‘Black Book.’
Lindemann, George(Sr.) & Freida: Now-deceased billionaire father of Sloan and Adam. George was the CEO and Chairman of Southern Union, a pipeline company and served as Vice President of the Metropolitan Opera Association of NYC. His wife, Frayda, is the President and CEO of the Metropolitan Opera.
Lindsay, Alex & Jaclyn: Alex is a war documentary maker who rents out his loft at the address Epstein has listed (https://www.independent.co.uk/property/house-and-home/property/spheres-of-influence-72014.html).
Lindsey, Ludovic: Racecar driver.
Lindsley, Blake: Actress who was in two movies directed by Doug Liman (also in Epstein’s book) - “Swingers” and “Getting In.”
Linley, David: Princess Margaret’s son, Queen Elizabeth II’s nephew, and first cousin of Prince Charles and Prince Andrew. Linley is a furniture maker and the 2nd Earl of Snowdon. He used to be the Chairman of Christie’s auction house in the UK.
Liogos, Babis: No info found, but one of the numbers traces back to Thylan Associates, a real estate and investment firm.
Lister, Paul: Likely the director of legal services and company secretary for Associated British Foods, or it could be a conservationist. Not sure which.
Livanos, Arriette: I believe this Arietta Livanos, wife of Greek shipping magnate, Stavros Livanos. Arietta passed away in 1986.
Lo Cascio, Robert: Founder and CEO of LivePerson, a tech company that develops conversational commerce. LoCascio was photographed with Ghislaine at an after party in 2012 (https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/ghislaine-maxwell-and-robert-locascio-attend-osklen-spring-news-photo/1169681572).
Loeb, Alex: Alexandra is the daughter of John Loeb, former U.S. Ambassador to Denmark under Reagan and former Delegate to the United Nations. John Loeb was also a special advisor to Nelson Rockefeller. Alexandra is also a descendant of the Lehman family (Lehman Brothers). Alexandra graduated from Spence Day School for Girls (mentioned earlier under Sloan and Roger Lindemann-Barnett).
Lonsdale, Richard: British investment banker.
Lorenzoti, Eva Vivre: Founder of luxury online retailer, Vivre.com and is a TV spokesperson/personality. Good friend of Ghislaine Maxwell. Maxwell and a couple of Rockefellers were guests at her house for a dinner party in 2010 (https://hauteliving.com/2010/11/doris-world-eva-lorenzottis-dinner-party/105102/).
Lorimer, John & Lottie: John works as a private investor and as a realtor. His wife, Lottie, is an interior designer.
Louthan Guy J: Prolific British film producer and former boyfriend of actress Liz Hurley (also in Epstein’s book).
Love, Courtney: Famous drug addict, musician, and actress who likely killed her husband, Kurt Cobain. Courtney famously claimed that Prince Andrew showed up to her house late one night in 2000 looking for sex. She has since retracted this claim. The entries under Love’s name all say ‘Dana’ next to them. This is Courtney’s ex-boyfriend, Dana Giacchetto. Giacchetto was considered to be the “stockbroker to the stars” and was friends with JFK Jr, Leonardo DiCaprio, Johnny Depp, and many others. He ripped his clients off of millions. Even more telling, Giacchetto was involved in a sex abuse case against X-Men director Bryan Singer (https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/news/leonardo-dicaprios-convicted-ex-money-manager-denies-bryan-050000120.html). He died in 2016 after he partied too hard and overdosed (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/dana-giacchetto-dead-stockbroker-stars-902383).
Lowell, Ivana: Guinness heiress who wrote about Harvey Weinstein’s sexual abuse while she worked at Miramax in her book back in 2010 (https://www.irishcentral.com/culture/entertainment/guinness-heiress-spoke-out-about-predator-harvey-weinstein-7-years-ago). She also dated Harvey’s younger brother, Bob.
Loyd Mark: No info found.
Lucas, Colin: The godfather of Boris Johnson, England’s current Prime Minister. Lucas is a British historian and university administrator. Served as Vice Chancellor of Oxford University from 1997-2004.

Since there was a lot of positive response to my comment on the KD thread about The Garden, I floated the idea of a thread, and you all asked for it, so here it is! Here at reddit, there can be a lot of LOL this (Knicks) and LOL that (Knicks again), and while MSG certainly has its own shortcomings to say the least, there is a true story to be told about the buildings and how it came to be where it is today.
Known as ‘The Worlds Most Famous Arena’, MSG played a direct roll in making sports in America what it is today, and while many people criticize the current incarnation of the building, most people don’t know the full story - or that the current one is actually the 4th version (and 3rd location) of the building. The college basketball history at MSG, which I won’t give away yet, is one of if not THE main reason we have our beloved NBA and professional basketball in general today. This is going to be a very long read, like, very very long. But I’m going to try and throw all the really juicy facts in there that I picked up along my years of research from working in the tour department. I thought of splitting it up, but I wanted this post to be a comprehensive history of The World’s Most Famous Arena!
If you’re only concerned with the history of the joint once basketball enters into the picture, skip to MSG III.
If you want the juicy details on the controversy of tearing down old Penn Station then skip to MSG IIII.
If you have any questions on anything or want me to elaborate on anything that I only mention briefly, please feel free to ask! MSG’s history is full of not only amazing moments, but vengeful murders, and a whole lot of sketchy stuff. This is the story of how a small train station on the north east corner of Madison Square Park eventually led to the demolition of an iconic NYC train station some 100 years later. It’s not on Madison Avenue, it’s not square, and it’s not a garden, but there is a good reason for all of this - or at least a good explanation - I promise!
MADISON SQUARE GARDEN I
Ironically, just how this story’s climax involves tearing an iconic train station down to build the current arena, the beginning starts in much the same way. Just with a significantly less iconic train station. In the mid 1800’s there was a small railroad depot on the north east corner of Madison Square Park, occupied by New York and Harlem Railroad on East 26th street and Madison Ave and owned by Commodore Cornelius Vanderbilt. For those of you not familiar with the city (yes, we call it ‘the city’) that location is pretty central and throughout time has had a lot of important events happen there, which is a thread for another time. The park was named for president James Madison, just like the street, which was very common at the time. People loved that guy.
The railroad opened up another location you may have heard of, by the name of ‘Grand Central Station’ in 1871, therefor leaving the smaller rail depot on 26th street abandoned. After a few vacant years, the building was leased to PT Barnum, who converted it into what he called the ‘Great Roman Hippodrome’. This place was a big open air oval ‘arena’ where he did exactly what you’d expect. Circuses etc. What happens next is where things start getting interesting.
Then the building was leased to a band leader named Patrick Gilmore. Some historians in that field feel like Gilmore is a forgotten guy compared to the likes of John Phillips Sousa, who is really the only person we common modern folk recognize in terms of old timey band leaders. But Gilmore was a very important figure of his day. Gilmore purchased the building and…wait for it…called it Gilmore’s Concert GARDEN. ‘Garden’ was a semi-popular add on to entertainment centers in NY during that era, starting with what I can tell from my research when Castle Clinton (aka, the old fort turned venue turned place you buy your tickets to go out to the Statue of Liberty now) was converted into a venue called Castle garden in the 1820s.
The other notable contributions Gilmore made to The Garden are holding the first Westminster Kennel Club dog show, the longest running garden event obviously still held there today, and even doing the first boxing matches there. I always found this bit fascinating, because boxing matches were technically illegal at the time. He called them ‘illustrated lectures’ and as any good New Yorker trying to make a buck does, found a way around the rules and got away with it. This is a common theme within the history of The Garden as you will see.
The arena changed hands a few more times, first to an administrator with the dog show, who also started to do more sporty things like tennis and installing one of the first ‘indoor’ ice rinks in the US.
The building went back into Vanderbilt control when Commodore died, by his grandson William Vanderbilt. He was the one who decided, the ‘garden’ part was cool, but since it wasn’t leased by Gilmore anymore, he would rename it after the park which it shared a border. Hence the name, Madison Square Garden. He expanded the range of events that were held there including adding bicycle racing. This would be by far the most widely beloved event held at the Garden, including a long running race called ‘Six Days of New York’ where an insane SIX day bike race would be held. These were basically just endurance contests, with a single bicyclist doing as many laps as possible, they could sleep whenever and join back in whenever. This was all the rage, but also dangerous for not only the participants but the spectators. People who wanted to soak up all the action were easy targets for crooks who were also in attendance. These events were so popular nationwide however, that there is even a bicycle discipline called ‘Madison’ named after the OG garden.
The building however ran its course, because of its lack of roof and decaying infrastructure.
What I mean by decaying can probably best be summed up by the disaster which many people now a days don’t know of, when part of the building collapsed falling outward into the street and some of the roof also caving in with 800 people inside. Apparently it was chaos, and 20 something people were killed or injured. It’s pretty brutal, and if you want to know more about that incident you can read the newspaper article from the time here.
Vanderbilt sold the spot to who's who collection of rich white men. JP Morgan, Carnegie, Astor etc. So they decided to tear it down and build a new extremely extravagant arena on the same spot. They got renowned architect Stanford White (more on him later) and they demolished the building in 1889. After spending more than half a million dollars, MSG II was built.
Madison Square Garden II
By this point, MSG was still not the household name it would become in the future. This building was supposed to change that narrative, which is why these rich guys went all in on it. You’ll see, that they were maybe in over their heads. However, this might be the most fascinating of all the MSGs for several reasons.
Firstly, the building was extremely extravagant. That can not be overstated. I would encourage you all to just google pictures of the building, it was massive and you’ll see all the features I’m describing here. It featured a huge 32 story tall bell tower, which was good for the 2nd tallest building in the city at the time. The bellower was topped by a sculpture of the goddess Diana the huntress, which was sculpted by famous artist Augustus Saint-Gaudens, and was gilt in copper. They moved the statue not soon after, and you can see it today at the Philly Museum of art! It spun around in the wind, and their original brilliant idea was to have an actual cloth scarf draped on it, but since wind exists, it got blown away not too long after its installation.
Its main hall was the largest in the world. It had not only the main hall which sat 8,000 but just like today’s garden, had a small theater which sat 1200, and even another concert hall which sat 1500. Of course they also had the largest restaurant in the city, because why not. And because it is ‘The Garden’ they decided there should be a roof garden cabaret. They thought this would be a landmark the likes of central park, and it was certainly grandiose enough. They had the same kind of events that the first garden did, including sports, concerts, and all the random stuff they found fun before the invention of TV (not to mention radio, or at least the widespread broadcast of radio). But the problem was, the building was so damn extra, that they had a hard time making enough money to upkeep the place.
Now let’s talk about the architect. Stanford White is probably best remembered for designing the Triumphal arch in Washington square, but then closely followed by being murdered in his own building, MSG II, in a lovers quarrel. This was huge news at the time, and so was the trial that ensued, they called it ‘The Trial of The Century’. The building, being as ridiculous as it was, of course housed an apartment for White, and millionaire Harry Kendall Thaw was not too happy with White who apparently had an affair with his actress wife when she was 16. So he came through, and shot him dead in his own building. It’s all incredibly sketchy and simultaneously intriguing, involving major names of the day, which is probably why the trial was so juicy and gripping in the eyes of the general public.
Anyways, the building was ultimately a failure, and didn’t last very long in retrospect. Everyone knew what Madison Square Garden was, and it was a landmark from 1890-1926, but the building failed to live up to expectations, much less make money. A 36 year run is really nothing to write home about, especially with the illusions (or better yet delusions) of grandeur its rich owners had in mind. There were some important sporting events that happened there, but what would happen in the next building would be the reason The Garden is now known as, The Worlds most Famous Arena. Interestingly the building there today, the New York Life Insurance Company, was built on that plot directly after MSG II was demolished. They owned the mortgage on the building, so they just built their headquarters there. It’s an iconic building in its own right, and if you’re on the NE corner of the park, there’s a plaque on the building which notes that it was the location of the first 2 Gardens.
The only thing MSG still had was, well, the name. And in walked Tex Rickard, to seize an opportunity that proved to be golden.
Madison Square Garden III
If you’ve never heard of Tex Rickard, think PT Barnum, Don King, etc. He was the leading boxing (and more) promoter of the day, and was a very successful businessman, operating saloons, hotels, casinos, and the like. He was a country boy, born in Missouri and raised in Texas, but had a knack for business and promotion. Tex saw the opportunity to buy the name, and incorporated the ‘New Madison Square Garden Corporation’ in 1923. It was smart, although MSG II didn't make money, it was still a household name in NYC. The purpose was to build a less extravagant arena, but a place that would be iconic in its own right and host major sporting events, including NHL games. This is where MSG started to make a name for itself as a major player in venues, and eventually THE most famous arena in the world. So Tex bought a big block of land quite a bit of a ways away from the original site of The Garden, on 8th avenue between 49th and 50th street. He basically built a big box, designed by theater architect Thomas Lamb, at the cost of almost 5 million dollars and in a remarkable 249 days. I think it’s sufficient to say that ol’ Tex knew how to get things done. He had a bunch of rich backers, plenty of clout, and he threw his arena up in sharp contrast to the old garden. It did however have a very iconic marquee, and if you talk to anyone who was around at the time they will note that the marquee was the distinguishing feature of the building. The main draw originally was boxing, as that was Tex’s bag. They had major fights, and drew much larger crowds than the older gardens, mostly because they could cram almost 20,000 people in there. The site lines were apparently terrible, but by all accounts the energy that still haunts the current garden, was the main draw.
Then, hockey happened. This was the idea from the start, as fellow sports promoter Thomas Duggan had options on three expansion teams for the NHL, to be established in the US. One became the Bruins, and then one was arranged to be given to NYC’s most-celebrated prohibition bootlegger Bill Dwyer, who arranged with Tex to have the team play at MSG III. Tex had an agreement with the first team they started, The New York Americans, aka The Amerks (ever heard of them?), that they would be the only hockey team to ever play at The Garden. Although there was a clause in the contract that Tex claimed he would never exercise, that claimed if Tex and MSG ever made a bid for a team, the Amerks would support it. Tex kept his word for approximately one year, when due to the American’s success, he went out and got himself a hockey team. The tabloids dubbed this team Tex’s Rangers, an obvious play on words, and you can guess what that team that became today. The Rangers soon eclipsed the Amerks in success, and The Garden’s lore began to grow as the place to be in NYC.
One more note on Tex, and maybe the most important in my biased Knicks ‘no other arena is THE GARDEN’ mind. he started 7 other Madison Square Garden’s around the country. Including ‘Boston Madison Square Garden’ which as you may guess, became known as Boston Garden. Thats right Celtics fans, your building was named after ours. Thanks Tex, for unknowingly providing another iconic building, that the future inhabitants of your NYC building would lose in over and over again! Anyways…now is where basketball becomes the star - so you can all start paying attention!
At the time, nobody thought professional basketball was a viable way of making money. Rickard passed away in 1929, and during the great depression things stayed somewhat status quo, but also there were now a lot of days where the giant arena wasn’t being used at all. Then, in walked Ned Irish, a successful sports journalist who quit his job covering basketball games for the World-Telegram, to start promoting basketball games at MSG III. The Garden let him promote and hold games there, as long as he would just cover the rent, that’s how bad things were economically. To everyone’s pleasant surprise, the college games became a lot more financially successful than anyone had anticipated. Along with making money, these college games were probably the number one factor in growing the game nationwide in general. College ball became the marquee (pun intended) event at MSG III, especially the double headers. This was a time, before the infamous point shaving scandals, that NYC college basketball was a force in the college game. It’s hard to believe now, but teams like NYU and CCNY were the equivalent of today’s Duke and UNC. By 1946, they were selling out the arena, and the city (and country) had fallen in love with the game of basketball. The NIT was started during this time, and even the first televised basketball game happened there in the form of a Fordham-Pitt / Georgetown-NYU doubleheader. The previously mentioned point shaving scandal involving the NYC schools hamstrung Irish’s ability to put on marquee matchups at MSG III, as a lot of the major teams were banned from playing there, and the NCAA reduced its use of the arena as a result.
Ned, being the promoter genius that he was, saw the success of the college game, knew his limitations with that now, and thought…Why can’t we do this with professional athletes and start a league? There had technically been professional basketball being played at MSG III since its inception, but it was traveling teams like the original Celtics, which weren’t associated with a league. People just didn’t think there was enough money in it, or a means and arenas to have such a league. So with other owners of hockey arenas around the US (and Canada!) They started the NBA in 1946. It wasn’t instantly as popular as the college game as you may suspect, with the Knicks even having to play at the 69th (nice) regiment armory when a college game was on that took priority over the NBA. Ironically, the armory was a few blocks away from the original location of MSG I and II, on Lexington between 25th and 26th, it’s still there for those NYers who happen to walk by and notice the building.
There were other major nationally news worth events that happened at MSG III, including a host of politically themed ventures including both a packed Nazi rally (really, and people were NOT happy about it as you may imagine) and an anti-nazi rally. There are some very famous photos and press about the pro Nazi rally, which happened in 1939 and was organized by the ‘German American Bund’. As Nazi's were wont to do, they recorded the thing, and for what it's worth, its some of the best and most crisp footage of the old garden although the Nazi's really spoil it - Here are the receipts. If only they put their efforts into making beautiful videos of basketball games instead of hate. Too bad the guy who charged the stage didn't do any damage, and I hate to think of what they did to him. Anyways before I get too riled up, a few years later this group would be banned, but MSG certainly took some heat for allowing this to go down, and deservedly so. The tradition of MSG doing anything for a buck holds strong!
Probably the most noteworthy event ever held in that venue was also somewhat a political event. The most famous version of ‘Happy Birthday’ ever sung took place at JFK’s birthday party, sung of course by Marilyn Monroe, at MSG III. Most people probably had no idea where this took place, and it may be realistically the most famous moment from any of the incarnations of MSG.
Another one of my favorite stories from that time is when they had first built MSG III there was a boxer, who’s name escapes me but this is the NBA sub so you all don’t care, that didn’t realize there was a new venue, so he showed up at the site of MSG II only to see that it had been demolished. He scooted uptown as quickly as he could, and won his fight. There is a whole host of boxing history that went down there, but I won’t bore you all with the details, just go look it up if you’re interested! The boxing events most of you have heard of, such as The Fight of the Century, would happen at the building that stands today, MSG IIII.
Now, on to the controversy.
Madison Square Garden IIII (current arena)
This is all just fact, and I won’t get into my biased opinion on why or why not this was the right thing to do. I’m going to lay out the full controversy before I get into some fun facts about the current arena…So here goes…
Yes, there was an above ground Penn Station. It was thought of as one of the most iconic and beautiful landmarks in NYC. Look up some pictures, it’s very cool.
In 1959, Graham-Paige bought a 40% stake in MSG for $4 million. Then, in 1960, Graham-Paige president Irving Felt (old NYers will recognize the name, the Felt Forum, which was the original name for the theater under the arena floor) bought the right to Penn Station. The idea was always that he would tear the old station down, and build the sports complex. The Pennsylvania Railroad company sold the air rights to the property because passenger traffic was on the decline after WW2, and they weren’t making enough money to upkeep the station. I’m sure the Penn Railroad company wasn’t too keen on tearing the building down, but Felt made them an offer they couldn’t refuse. In exchange for the rights of a building they couldn’t support anymore, the Penn Railroad company got a brand new, smaller station completely below the street at no cost, and also a 25% stake in the new MSG complex. That probably worked out ok for them. People tried to save the old station, as it was a beautiful and a lot of people were outraged that the city would let this happen. At the end of the day, the city voted to demolish the building in 1963. A lot went into this, it was simply too much for the railroad company to upkeep, and like I said, they got a pretty great offer. Also, they had at first optioned the air rights to William Zeckendorf in 1954, and he had some plans which would reconfigure the train station into several different things including a ‘world trade center’ and a ‘Palace of Progress’. These things didn’t come to pass, again, this was a MASSIVE building. Now it should be noted, if NYC wanted to save the building, they could have saved the building. It would not have been cheap, but they could have done it. However the city thought that since it was originally intended to be a ‘cost-effective and functional piece of the city’s infrastructure’ it was now mostly just a ‘monument to the past’. Pretty cold, but the city had a history of destroying historic buildings to build even more historic ones. A lot of the criticism from people after MSG4 was built, was that this was not the case in this instance, as opposed to say - tearing down the original Waldorf-Astoria to put up the Empire State Building. That one in retrospect, doesn’t have as much contention. The city thought they were being ‘progressive’ and from what I can gather, people didn’t believe they were actually going to tear the building down until they actually started doing it. When they actually started tearing it down, it sparked international outrage. As another user pointed out on the other thread, this led to the establishment of the NYC landmarks preservation commission, which did in fact save Grand Central from demolition in 1968. So that’s a silver lining to all of this. NYC didn’t step up to save the old Penn Station, but its demolition was not in vain. The outrage that it caused has surely saved plenty of other historic buildings from their demise. Like I said, I’m not trying to say it was right or wrong, this post is simply to state the facts on what happened and why it all happened.
(((I realize that I may have been typing hastily and drunk when I responded with why the old landmark Penn Station building was torn down for the new MSG. Admittedly, my timeline was slightly off, as the ‘no property tax’ thing happened afterwards to keep the Knicks / Rangers / MSG in the city. I went back into my research and wanted to make sure I explained what happened 100% accurately. Even though nobody disputed this in the thread, my post may have been confusing and the timeline in my head was a bit skewed, as I said the threat of moving to NJ was a factor in them originally tearing the train station down. This was the reason for the property tax cut, but not the original demo of the train station, as you've just read. I wanted to make sure the accurate story was told. So this should clear up the timeline, and why and when things happened the way they did.)))
The next big controversy is what I had a little mixed up in my original post, as I clumped it together with the original controversy, and that is the threat of the teams moving to New Jersey. This did happen and this is where it gets very, very, VERY sketchy.
In 1982, when Gulf and Western owned MSG, they threatened to move the teams to NJ, as the Giants and Jets had done, and also the Devils although they didn’t come from Manhattan. NJ had proven a more than viable option for professional sports teams, as it was just a short train ride away to the new Meadowlands Sports Complex. The Garden was in need of renovation, so they made then mayor Ed Koch an ultimatum - give us a tax break to help us renovate the arena and add the new fangled luxury boxes that all the newer arenas had. That led to a full property tax exemption for the next 10 years.
Koch ‘didn’t realize’ that no one put in a sunset date for the tax exemption. Some think he confused the clause that stated the teams would be locked in for at least 10 more years, for a clause that said the tax exemption would only last for 10 more years. The first part of that is true, so interestingly enough the Knicks and Rangers are not allowed to play home games anywhere else but MSG, or they would break the agreement, so things like the NHL winter classic that the Rangers play in, even if in NY they have to be the away team. Knicks in London? Away team. Not that those teams would give up a home games worth of revenue, but still they technically have to be the away team. So the garden has saved somewhere around half a billion dollars, yes BILLION dollars in property tax payments. It’s around $50 Million now, and although there have been bills, most notably in 2014 to try and get this changed, so far it’s fallen on deaf ears.
The argument against this is pretty plain to see, the Knicks and the Rangers are the most profitable teams in their respective sports, and that they don’t need this tax break. Let’s make one thing clear, Jim Dolan definitely does NOT need the tax break. Everyone has to pay property taxes. Except, Dolan and MSG. It’s a hard pill to swallow, even as the most diehard Knicks fan. The City Council almost unanimously voted to take it to state legislature in 2014, which has authority over the cities tax rules. There is sketchy stuff all through this, like state assembly leader at the time Sheldon Silver having his daughter and one of his former top aides on MSG payroll. Oh yeah, Sheldon Silver was convicted of federal fraud and extortion charges sometime after that focused on large payments that Silver received for years from Goldberg & Iryami, a law firm that specialized in seeking reductions of New York City real estate taxes for real estate developers. Silver was alleged to have persuaded developers who had business with the state to use the firm, which in turn generated $700,000 in referral fees to Silver. Totally not sketchy at all.
Here’s where it stands today, as controversy will be back to a fever pitch in a few years.
In 2013, the NYC council voted unanimously to give MSG a ten year permit, as opposed to their current agreement which gave them operating rights in perpetuity. This means that MSG’s operating permit is up in 2023. Penn Station is in dire need of renovation. Like, more-so than the Knicks are in need of talent. Dolan also spent a couple billion on renovating the arena into the state of the art facility it is today. He’s not planning on moving it. If the city wants Dolan to move the garden so they can renovate the station, it would be massively complicated, and the city would be forced to offer huge subsidies to get MSG out of the way. So chances are, everything goes on, status quo. Now I will say, from my time receiving internal emails at MSG, Dolan does not want a fight with the city. They realize that there can potentially be a compromise here. Also, he has a ton of money, and politicians tend to respond to that.
One thing that is a step in the right direction, is the massive building across 8th avenue, the iconic post office, which just like the old Penn Station has gone largely unused but BECAUSE of Penn Stations demolition has been protected itself from demolition. It has already begun to be repurposed for the train station, and by 2021 they are supposed to finish the construction on the inside to a huge, new, modern train hub. This will do a lot honestly in reducing the congestion in the old underground station.
The other internal rumblings, were that Dolan was going to let them build into the theater. Cuomo actually announced this plan, which would leave the arena intact. I will explain the layout of the current building later, but underneath the arena floor up on the 5th floor, sits the 2nd largest theater in all of NYC. In my time there it was being used less and less, mostly because the garden also owns Radio City and The Beacon theater, which are much nicer venues. There have been iconic events down in the theater also, including many NBA drafts, and some epic Eddie Murphy stand up specials, but it is in need of renovation. It is the only area that they didn’t touch during the renovation, because the thought process is that they’d just be competing with themselves in Radio and The Beacon. So The idea is that Dolan will throw the city a bone, and let them build up into the theater, in exchange for keeping the status quo, which would give Penn a much larger footprint. Admittedly, I’m not sure what progress has gone into this plan, and if the Amtrak plan for the post office has changed any of that. Basically, we’re just going to have to wait until 2023 to see what the future really holds for MSG, but knowing a bit about NYC politics, I wouldn’t count on anything changing.
Ok, now that that’s all out of the way, lets talk about the fun side of MSG4, if it hasn’t already left too sour of a taste in your collective mouths.
The new building is actually a pretty fascinating piece of architecture in its own right. Some people think the facade is ugly, and that’s fair, but the inner workings are pretty cool. Charles Luckman was the architect, and he also designed the Forum out in LA, owned now by MSG as well. In my opinion, the most fascinating part of the structure is the cable system which supports it. 48 cables connect from the outer circumference of the building, meeting at the middle in a center tension ring. This allows the arena to not have visual support beams, like the arenas before it all boasted. No visual beams means better sight lines, and less obstructions. This is a cool article from the time about it if you care to know more about the actual construction. If you’re ever at The Garden, look for little circular plaques on the wall, numbered 1-48. These mark where the cables line up in the arena, and security can actually use these to dictate where they are in the building. You’ll probably never notice them, unless you’re looking for them.
The other cool thing about the roof, is that if you look closely you’ll see that the actual ceiling which sits between the cables, you’ll see that it has tiny holes all through it. Thats because the ceiling is designed to absorb sound, its filled with sound absorption material so when the sound passes through the holes it helps deaden the room. Usually arenas are the worst place to see a concert, and the general rule of thumb is - the bigger the room, the louder and boomier it will be. It’s certainly not as good sounding as a smaller concert venue but it is better than any arena you’ll find. As opposed to oracle arena, which has a concrete ceiling meant to amplify sound for sporting events etc. Which makes it even more impressive how loud it gets in there, despite the ceilings best efforts.
When the building was built there was a 48 lane bowling alley, an art gallery, a hall of fame, and a 501 seat cinema. Thats right, a 48 lane bowling alley. It closed in the 80s, but had a lot of bowling events including some sort of bowling TV show apparently. I haven’t been able to confirm this, but this was what I was told by a reliable source! Someone older than myself can probably speak to that.
Unlike most arenas, the arena floor of MSG is actually 5 floors above street level, which allows for the theater underneath the arena floor.
Although the Felt Forum Theater at Madison Square Garden doesn’t have as many events as it used to, they still have events and even at the same time that there are events going on up in the main arena. When I was working there, we had plenty of instances where there were crazy concerts or games going on upstairs, and other events going on in the theater. You would have never known the other was going on, and there is no sound transmitted from one venue to the other. Also if you’re familiar with the theater, the rumor is the lights (probably its defining characteristic) that pattern the theater ceiling, equates exactly to the number of seats in the theater. I never was bored enough to count, so that’ll just have to be a rumor for now!
The floor of the arena itself is pretty cool, and if you’re not familiar with how these multi-sport arenas work, the ice lives underneath the court all through hockey and basketball season. It’s pretty remarkable to watch the ice crew make the ice, and pretty sad when it gets melted. The fun fact here is, not only can they switch over in under 3 hours from one sport to the other, but they WILL do it and have to do it several times a year to do a Knicks and Rangers home game on the same day. All four sides of the arena have expandable seating, think high school gym, which allows for almost 2 thousand more seats during Knicks games as opposed to rangers games. They cover the ice with a fiberglass/plastic compound material, and then the floor fits together like a giant puzzle over top of the material. This current material has been used since the renovation, and the ridiculous thing is before the new material, supposedly they had to melt the ice once during the season - to accommodate for the longest running event in MSG history, the dog show. Apparently the dogs could sense the ice! I wasn’t there at that time, but that was what I was told was the scenario.
Another ridiculous thing is seeing them set up for professional bull riding. It’s insane, they bring in literally 20 something dump trucks of dirt and they do a ‘running of the bulls’ where all the bulls run up the ramp that goes to the street, and into their pens. It’s probably the wildest thing you’ll see being set up there, and also leaves the arena smelling like, well, you know, for several weeks. Not as bad as it smells after Phish comes through for NYE, and no I’m not talking about reefer. That would be one thing, but it just smells…grimy.
As much as we all collectively have some disdain for James Dolan, it hasn’t been all bad. He has hosted 3 of the biggest benifit concerts of all time, for 9/11, Katrina, and Sandy. All the proceeds from these shows went towards victim relief. But what people don’t realize is that the first ever benefit concert happened at MSG, in George Harrison’s ‘The Concert For Bangladesh’.
As for the new renovation, they really did a nice job in a lot of ways. It took 3 years, from 2011-13. First of all, if you’ve never sat on the bridge for a game, do it. It’s truly a one of a kind view. If you’re not familiar with the bridge, they are 2 suspended walkways that were added during the renovation, with several rows of seating that stretch across the arena. One side is the ‘Media bridge’ where there are TV’s with full cable, all kinds of plugs for laptops and internet and all that. They will sell tickets to this side when it’s a game that the media isn’t hogging the whole thing. I like hanging up there during games because there are advanced stats on some of the channels, anything you would need to be covering the game from a journalistic perspective, so it’s pretty cool. Also that’s where the radio, and the hockey TV broadcast booths are, since the vantage point is better up there for hockey than on the glass.
Pro tip - sometimes on stub hub or wherever, those seats can be cheaper than the ones further back not on the bridge. This is because they’re the ‘300’ level, where as the seats all the way up on the sides are the 200 level. However there really isn’t a bad seat in the house. And there are bars INSIDE the seating area, so if you’re up in the top of the 200’s, you can hit the bar without ever leaving the arena bowl and missing a single second of that can’t miss Knicks basketball. The 400 level is cool too, that’s the blue seats, which were the original color of all the 400 level seats.
Back in the day, when there were paper tickets, the seats in the different levels were different colors, and the tickets for those seats would be the same color as your seats!
The suite situation is very insane now a days. There are the event level suites, which are 20 suites located literally on the arena floor, underneath the seating. They have no view of the game, but they come with 8 seats each right in the first few rows. It’s the best of both worlds, so you’ll see the first few rows CLEAR OUT during half time to go into their little luxury caves. There are also suites all through the mid level of the arena, and then a 3rd level of suites up on the 9th floor, facing the stage.
There are also luxury clubs, including the Delta Club, which if you’ve never had a ticket with access to it, and can afford it - I highly recommend it. Everything (minus alcohol of course!) is free, and the food is honestly ridiculous. Further down the hall and down the stairs is the JP Morgan club (throwback!) where an even more elite club (closest 100 or so seats) can hang out. And even more so, there is a place called ‘suite 200’. I never knew about this until I worked there. You can only go there if you’re invited, which means you’re very famous. For some reason, my keycard had access to this, and I explored it a few times. It’s ridiculous. Original trophies, huge original paintings, etc.
Speaking of trophies - everyone used to ask me where the Knicks championship trophies are - and the truth is, back when the Knicks won it was so long ago, that the NBA trophy was like the Stanley cup and changed hands every year. So…no Knicks championship trophies. However if you go to MSG you’ll notice the defining moments collection, the top moments in MSG history that line the walls of the 2 main concourses. There is one dedicated to the 1970 championship, and it has the eastern conference trophy in it. Now this I can confirm is true - if you examine the trophy you’ll notice that the little basketball player on top is a different hue than the rest of the trophy. That’s because apparently when they were compiling these displays a few years ago, they found the trophy in storage with the basketball man broken off the top of it, so they had to replace it. That’s why you can visibly tell that there is a difference between him and the rest of the trophy, if you really examine it.
Obviously there have been so many huge events at The Garden, I don’t really need to get into that here.
Also if you ever get the chance, visit the 9th floor where the signature suites are located. The coolest memorabilia in the building is up there, including one of those signed 50 greatest lithographs, Patrick Ewing and Wayne Gretzky’s locker, and even the statue of Joe Gans, a legendary African American boxer. This statue has the patina pretty much gone from his outstretched left arm is it was tradition for boxers to tap gloves with Joe for good luck before they took the ring. Now it sits up there, right next to the scale that was in use during the time of the fight of the century featuring Frazier and Ali. They also have an old school ice resurfacer up there, which is pretty cool.
Well, I’m sure there’s a ton that I left out - If you made it this far, you’re a champ.
TL;DR - Boston Garden was originally called Boston Madison Square Garden and was named after the arena in NY. There is only one 'The Garden' and it's super duper important. ;)
Edit - I should have mentioned wrestling. It’s intimately tied to MSG, but really deserves its own thread and I have no more characters!

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Friday, December 20th 2019:

• Holiday Shoppe, November 30 - December 21Kick off your holiday season with a visit to the Danbury Museum's 11th annual Holiday Shoppe. In addition to items from local artisans, we've got you covered for great Danbury themed tees, totes, mugs, and more. On December 6th and 7th, the Arion Singing Society will be hosting their Christ-kindle-market in our Marian Anderson studio--cookies, wreaths, and all of the German holiday specialties will be on hand for purchase. On December 14th, drop in for a cup of tea and some treats! We'll have the kettle on all day and you can have a sweet treat before or after you visit our Holiday Shoppe.Tue.-Sat. 10 a.m.-4 p.m., FREE,Danbury Museum, 42 Main St. Danbury, CT
• "Christmas Cocktails", December 13 - 20Award-winning Pantochino Productions presents its holiday musical revue, Christmas Cocktails, for two performances December 13 and 20. Featuring four talented singers, the cabaret-style performance features favorite holiday songs, comedy, audiences participation and surprises. Audiences are induced to bring their own 'cocktails' and snacks to enjoy during the 90-minute performance.8pm, $30Milford Arts Council, The MAC, 40 Railroad Avenue, South, Milford, CT
• A Frightmare Before Christmas, December 20 - 21You've never seen Santa like this before. This holiday season, join Fright Haven for a haunted house experience like no other. Frightmare Before Christmas includes brand new attractions, all decked out for the holidays and ready to make you scream 'til the New Year. First you will make your way through Dead End Manor: No Home for the Holidays - a horrific look into one family's not-so picture perfect Christmas Eve. Ornaments smashed, stockings torn, and is that blood in the chimney? Who...or what...could have done this? Next, take a tour of Santa's infamous toy workshop in The Factory. But don't expect to find any happy elves; they've been overworked this season, and Santa's demanding schedule has caused them all to lose their minds. Will you survive this terrifying tour, escape the angry elves and reject toys? Or will you become just another piece on the assembly line? On Saturday, from noon until 2 p.m., a lot less scary holiday event for the younger crowd and their families will be "Holiday Lights On" Family Dun Day matinee. Special guides will escort young children and their families through the indoor maze, completely renovated and decorated for the Christmas season.Fri. 7 p.m.-10 p.m., Sat. noon-2 p.m. & 7 p.m.-10 p.m. Fri. & Sat. evening show: $20, Sat. matinee $10.Fright Haven, 411 Barnum Ave. Cutoff Stratford, CT
• The Illusionists Magic of the Holidays, December 20 - 22Ring in the holidays with the mind-blowing spectacular, The Illusionists – Magic of the Holidays, showcasing the jaw-dropping talents of the most incredible illusionists on earth. The Illusionists has shattered box office records across the globe and dazzles audiences of all ages with a powerful mix of the most outrageous and astonishing acts ever seen on stage. This non-stop show is packed with thrilling and sophisticated magic of unprecedented proportions.Fri. 8 p.m., Sat. 2 p.m. & 8 p.m., Sun. 1 p.m., $44-$126Shubert Theatre, 247 College St. New Haven, CT
• Special Evening Vintage Train Ride to Visit Santa Claus, December 20After the devastating flood in the basement of the Danbury Railway Museum which caused cancellation of the first weekend of Santa Train rides, additional Friday evening trains have been scheduled. Reservations are suggested. The short train ride in a fully-restored 1953 New Haven Railroad Rail Diesel Car (RDC) will take you through the railyard, past the only powered turntable in Connecticut, listed on the National Historic Register and currently undergoing a substantial restoration, and over 70 vintage railroad cars, locomotives and many unique pieces of railroad history. The train ride will terminate at Santa's own private railcar where you'll be greeted by Santa and Mrs. Claus and Santa's helpers in Toyland in Santa's private car. Of course, the exhibits and multiple operating model train layouts inside the restored 1903 Danbury station will also be open as will the be the well-stocked gift shop. Also inside the station, you’ll find free hot chocolate, a coloring station, temporary tattoos and other activities for the little ones.Departs: 4:30 p.m., 5 p.m., 5:30 p.m. $12, children (under 24 months) free.Danbury Railway Museum, 120 White St. Danbury, CT
• Straight No Chaser, December 20 Straight No Chaser’s latest studio album, One Shot sees SNC doing what they do best with distinctive takes on classic pop and soul favorites, including Ricky Martin’s “Livin La Vida Loca,” Fleetwood Mac’s “Go Your Own Way,” James Brown’s “Papa’s Got a Brand New Bag,” and the LP’s first single, an energetic mash-up of Boyz II Men and Montell Jordan entitled “Motownphilly/This Is How We Do It.” The track is joined by an official lyric video, streaming now at the official SNC YouTube channel. 8pm, $30 Mohegan Sun Arena, 1 Mohegan Sun Blvd., Uncasville, CT
• Virtual Reality Beat Saber Tournament, December 20 Beat Saber is a unique VR rhythm game where your goal is to slash the beats as they are coming at you. Every beat indicates which saber you need to use and also the direction you need to match. All the music is composed to perfectly fit the hand made levels. The goal is to cut the cubes and avoid the obstacles. Each cut is supported by great sounds and visual effects that emphasize the rhythm. Players of all levels are welcome to participate. You may enter up to four times but only your best score gets put on "the board," this prevents one person from having multiple top spots. Here's how it will go down: There will be two songs chosen and you will pick one practice song. You will then play both songs and add your scores together for the high score. 7pm-9pm, $10 to enter, free for spectators Xperiment Virtual Reality, 100 Hawley Lane, Trumbull, CT

Saturday, December 21st, 2019:

• Science Saturday, December 21 Create a river of cascading colors during this exciting frozen rainbow eruption activity. This fun drop-in program encourages participants to explore the intersections between art and science. Each month features a different gallery learning session, mini-experiment and hands-on art project. STEAM (science, technology, engineering, arts, mathematics)-integrated fun at the Lyman Allyn Art Museum! All programs are free with Museum admission 11:00 am – 1:00 pm., Museum admission: Adults: $12, Students: $5, Children under 12: Free, Members: Free, New London residents: Free
• Hartford Symphony Orchestra: Holiday Cirque Spectacular, December 21 Holiday Cirque Spectacular returns! There is no better way to celebrate the season than with the magical music of the holidays performed by the HSO, set to astonishing acrobatic feats by members of the renowned Cirque de la Symphonie. Watch these amazing aerialists, contortionists, and gymnasts tumble, soar and dance on and above the stage all while the HSO plays your festive favorites! Tickets are on sale now! Visit hartfordsymphony.org or call 860-987-5900 for tickets. 2019-2020 subscriptions are available now. For subscription information, please call 860-244-2999. 2 p.m. & 7 p.m., $27-$78 The Bushnell, 166 Capitol Ave. Hartford, CT
• Winter Solstice Starry Sky, December 21 Lean night sky rangers Kim and Geoff will point out the constellations and share constellation stories of the First Americans. You will also have the chance to view deep sky objects, such as the Dumbbell Nebula, Andromeda Galaxy and Owl Cluster, with telescopes. And look for shooting stars. Dress warmly and in multiple layers. This is a family friendly event and a great way to celebrate the season.6 6pm, FREE West Thompson Dam, Overlook Shelter, 162 West Thompson Rd., North Grovesnor, Dale, CT
• The Clairvoyants, December 21 Thommy Ten and Amelie Van Tass (The Clairvoyants) were born and raised in Austria and now reside both there and in America. When they met in 2011, they began to develop their “second sight” act, and two months later brought it to the stage for the first time. In 2014, they received their first long-term contract in America when they performed in the show The Illusionarium by Jeff Hobson. They were subsequently offered a featured spot in The Illusionists, the largest touring magic show in the world, produced by Simon Painter. With The Illusionists they toured Australia, Mexico and the Middle East and since that time have also appeared in The Illusionists 2.0, The Illusionists — Live From Broadway and The Illusionists — Turn of the Century on Broadway. In 2016, they were finalists on America’s Got Talent, chosen from more than 100,000 contestants. Van Tass and Ten were awarded the “German Champions of Mentalism,” “Magicians of the Year,” 2015 and, were enthusiastically chosen as the “World Champions of Mentalism, 2015,” a prize that hadn’t been awarded in 30 years. They are currently touring America and Europe with continued sold out shows and standing ovations. 7pm, $45-$85 Grand Theater at Foxwoods Resort Casino, 350 Trolley Line Blvd., Mashantucket, CT

Sunday, December 22nd, 2019:

• Winter Solstice Celebrations, December 22 The Winter Solstice arrives Saturday night at 11:10 p.m. Gather on the shortest day of the year and learn how people have celebrated this special day and season over the millennia. The take a hike and celebrate the upcoming lengthening of the days. Crafts and hot chocolate provided. Pre-registration required. 1pm-4pm, $7 per person, $25 for family Roaring Brook Nature Center, 70 Gracy Rd.,Canton, CT

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List of Las Vegas casinos that never opened
Over the years there have been several casinos and resorts planned for the Las Vegas Valley that never opened. The stages of planning may have been just an announcement or groundbreaking.[1][2][3]
Asia Resort and Casino
Where the Palazzo Casino and Resort currently stands (adjacent to the Venetian Hotel and Casino and the Sands Expo and Convention Center), an Asian themed casino was proposed but was rejected for the present Palazzo project.[4]
Alon Las Vegas
A proposed luxury hotel and casino located on the Las Vegas Strip on the former site of the New Frontier Hotel and Casino, announced in 2015.[5] The project was put in doubt after Crown Resorts announced in late 2016 it was suspending its involvement in the development.[6] Crown announced in December 2016 that it was halting the project and seeking to sell its investment. The remaining partner Andrew Pascal announced he was seeking other partners to proceed with the project. However in May 2017, the land went up for sale.[7] The land was later purchased by Steve Wynn.
Beau Rivage
Steve Wynn, who had purchased and demolished the Dunes hotel-casino, had originally planned to build a modern hotel in the middle of a man-made lake. He later built the Bellagio with a man-made lake in the front of the hotel.[citation needed] The name was later used by Wynn for a resort built in Biloxi, Mississippi.
Caribbean Casino
In 1988, a sign for a proposed casino was erected on a fenced vacant lot on Flamingo Road. Standing near the sign was a scale model galleon. For several years, that was all that stood on the property. The empty lot was the source of many jokes by the locals until the ship, which was later damaged by a fire started by a homeless person, was torn down in the 1990s and the lot became the site of the Tuscany Suites and Casino co-owned by Charles Heers, who has owned the property since the 1960s.[8]
Carnival
In 1990, the Radisson group proposed a 3,376-room hotel next to the Dunes, with a casino shaped like a Hershey's Kiss.[9]
Cascada
A proposed resort that was to have been built on the site of El Rancho Vegas. The parcel is now partially taken by the Hilton Grand Vacations Club and Las Vegas Festival Grounds.[4]
City by the Bay Resort and Casino
A San Francisco-themed resort was proposed for the site of the New Frontier Hotel and Casino. The project was rejected in favor of the Swiss-themed Montreux, which was also eventually cancelled.[4]
Countryland USA
A country music-themed resort was planned for construction of the site of the former El Rancho Hotel and Casino. For some years, the El Rancho sign stood with the words "Coming Soon - Future Home of Countryland USA."[10][11]
Craig Ranch Station
Main article: Craig Ranch Station A Mediterranean-themed hotel-casino for North Las Vegas, proposed by Station Casinos in March 2000.[12] The project faced opposition from nearby residents,[13][14][15] which led to the proposed location being changed to a vacant property on the nearby Craig Ranch Golf Course.[16] Residential opposition to the new location led to the project being rejected by the Nevada Gaming Policy Committee in March 2001. Station Casinos still had the option to develop the project on the initial site,[17][18] but the project was cancelled entirely in July 2001, following a weak financial quarter for the company.[19]
Crown Las Vegas
Main article: Crown Las Vegas Formerly known as Las Vegas Tower, the Crown Las Vegas was to have been a supertall skyscraper built on the former site of a Wet 'n Wild water park. In March 2008, the project was canceled and the property was put up for sale.[20]
Desert Kingdom
In 1993, ITT Sheraton purchased the Desert Inn casino, and had announced plans to develop the large parking lot into a Balinese themed resort to complement the Desert Inn. The project was never developed and the site is now the location of Wynn Las Vegas.[4]
DeVille Casino
After building the Landmark Hotel and Casino on Convention Center Drive and selling it to Howard Hughes, developer Frank Carroll built the DeVille Casino across the street from the Landmark at 900 Convention Center Drive in 1969. Chips were made for the casino (and are sought-after collectibles), but the casino never opened.[21] The building was renovated in 1992 as a race book parlor named Sport of Kings which closed after nine months.[22] It became the location of The Beach nightclub, which was demolished in 2007 to make room for a planned 600-unit tower[23] that was never built.[24] The land sits currently empty.
Echelon Place
Main article: Echelon Place An announced project by Boyd Gaming planned to have a hotel built on the property of the former Stardust Resort & Casino. Construction was suspended on August 1, 2008 due to the Great Recession. In March 2013, Boyd Gaming sold the proposed site for $350 million to the Genting Group, which is redeveloping the project as the Asian-themed Resorts World Las Vegas.
Fontainebleau Las Vegas
Main article: The Drew Las Vegas Located on the Las Vegas Strip and originally known as Fontainebleau Las Vegas. Construction began in 2007, and the resort was to include a casino, 2,871 hotel rooms, and 1,018 condominium units.[25] Construction on the $2.9 billion project ceased in 2009, the year of its planned opening. Investment firms Witkoff Group and New Valley LLC purchased the unfinished resort in 2017.[26] In 2018, Witkoff and Marriott International announced a partnership to open the renamed project as The Drew Las Vegas in 2020. The resort will include a casino and three hotels totaling nearly 4,000 rooms, with the condominium aspect removed from the project.[27]
Harley-Davidson Hotel and Casino
A resort themed after the motorcycle manufacturer Harley-Davidson was proposed, complete with hotel towers shaped like gigantic exhaust pipes, but was never built.[4]
Jockey Club Casino
The Jockey Club is a condominium and timeshare resort at 3700 Las Vegas Boulevard South. It was planned to have a casino, and chips were made for its use, but the casino was never opened.[28]
Kactus Kate's
By April 1994, Gold Coast Hotel and Casino owner Michael Gaughan was interested in building a hotel-casino in North Las Vegas,[29] at the northeast corner of North Rancho Drive and Carey Avenue. In January 1995, the city planning commission approved the rezoning of the land for use as a hotel-casino. The resort, to be named Kactus Kate's, would be built by Gold Coast Hotel/Casino Limited. The hotel would include 450 rooms, and the casino would be 105,000 sq ft (9,800 m2),[30] later decreased to 102,000 sq ft (9,500 m2).[31] The resort would be located directly north of the nearby Fiesta and Texas Station resorts.[31]
In December 1998, Coast Resorts, Inc. received approval from the planning commission for a use-permit relating to the undeveloped property. In November 2000, the planning commission unanimously approved a two-year extension on the permit, giving the company more time to decide whether it would build Kactus Kate's. Because of a 1999 Senate bill that placed restrictions on casinos in neighborhoods, Coast Resorts had a deadline of 2002 to build the casino. The hotel would measure over 100 feet (30 m) high, and Coast Resorts was required to notify the Federal Aviation Administration of its final plans, due to the site being located less than 1,000 feet (300 m) from a runway at the North Las Vegas Airport.[32] In January 2001, Station Casinos purchased the 29-acre (12 ha) site for $9 million. Coast Resorts president Harlan Braaten said, "As we saw the competitive nature of that area intensify, in terms of the size of competing facilities, we just felt we would have to build something much bigger than we had intended to compete with Texas Station and Santa Fe Station. It was just going to be a very expensive project, and we didn't feel the returns would be that good." Station Casinos planned to sell the property as a non-gaming site.[31]
Las Vegas Plaza
Main article: Las Vegas Plaza Not to be confused with the Plaza Hotel & Casino.
This was to have been modeled after the Plaza Hotel in New York City. The project was announced shortly before the demolition of the New Frontier Hotel and Casino, where the new hotel would be built. Las Vegas Plaza was cancelled in 2011 due to the Great Recession.
London Resort and Casino
This announced project was to have been themed around the city of London, and featuring replicas of the city's landmarks. The project was to be built on land across from the Luxor Hotel and Casino. A second London-themed resort was to be built on the former land of the El Rancho Hotel and Casino. Neither project ever began construction.[4]
London, Las Vegas
This was a proposed three-phase project using London as its design inspiration. When completed, the 38.5-acre (15.5 ha) property would have featured 1,300 hotel rooms, a casino, a 500-foot-tall (152.4 m) observation wheel named Skyvue (partially constructed), and 550,000 square feet (51,097 square meters) of restaurants and shops — all of which would be architectural replicas of various British landmarks and neighborhoods.[33] The project was to be constructed on land across from the Mandalay Bay Hotel and Casino on the Las Vegas Strip, where — as of November 2019 — the partially-constructed Skyvue still stands. The wheel was to be "Phase I of London, Las Vegas".
Montreux Resort
This Swiss-themed resort was to have been built on the property of the former New Frontier Hotel and Casino, but was ultimately cancelled.[34]
Moon Resort and Casino
Proposed by Canadian developer Michael Henderson, this is a planned 10,000-room, 250-acre (1.0 km2) lunar-themed casino resort.[35] Gaming experts doubt it will ever be built in Las Vegas, simply because the space planned for it is too large for the Las Vegas Strip.[4]
NevStar 2000
Further information: Craig Ranch Station § NevStar 2000 Proposed by NevStar Gaming in 1998, the NevStar 2000 entertainment complex in North Las Vegas would have included a hotel and casino,[36] but the project faced opposition from nearby residents who did not want a casino in the area.[37][38] The project was cancelled when NevStar Gaming filed for bankruptcy in December 1999.[12]
North Coast/Boyd Gaming project
In May 2003, Coast Casinos had plans for the North Coast hotel-casino, to be built at the southwest corner of Centennial Parkway and Lamb Boulevard in North Las Vegas. The project would be built on approximately 40 acres (16 ha) of vacant land, surrounded by other land that was also undeveloped. At the time, the North Las Vegas Planning Commission was scheduled to review requests for zoning changes and approvals for the project. The project was not scheduled to be built for at least another four years, after completion of a highway interchange at Lamb Boulevard and the nearby Interstate 15, as well as the completion of an overpass over nearby railroad tracks. Bill Curran, an attorney for the land owner, said, "We're going through the zoning changes now so everybody knows what's going to be out there." The North Coast would include a casino, a 10-story hotel with 398 rooms, a bowling alley, movie theaters, and a parking garage.[39] In June 2003, the Planning Commission voted 6 to 1 to approve preliminary applications necessary to begin work on the North Coast.[40][41]
Boyd Gaming, the owner of Coast Casinos, announced in February 2006 that it would purchase the 40-acre site for $35 million.[42] Jackie Gaughan and Kenny Epstein were the owners at the time.[43] Boyd Gaming had not decided on whether the new project would be a Coast property or if it would be similar to the company's Sam's Town hotel-casino. At the time, no timetable was set for building the project.[42] In March 2007, the project was put on hold. At the time, Boyd Gaming had been securing construction permits for the project but decided to first review growth in the area. Construction had been scheduled to begin in mid-2007.[44] In August 2013, Boyd Gaming sold the undeveloped property for $5.15 million.[43]
Palace of the Sea Resort and Casino
This was to have been built on the former Wet 'n Wild waterpark site. Conceptual drawings included yacht-shaped towers that housed suites, a casino resembling the Sydney Opera House and a 600-foot (180 m) tall Ferris wheel-type attraction dubbed a "Sky Wheel". It never left the planning stages.[4]
Paramount Las Vegas
A casino and hotel and condo resort with more than 1,800 units that was planned by Royal Palms Las Vegas, a subsidiary of Royal Palms Communities.[45][46] The project was to replace the Klondike Hotel and Casino at the south end of the Las Vegas Strip,[47][45] beside the Las Vegas welcome sign.[48] The resort was approved in October 2006,[45] but an investor pulled out of the project in August 2007, and the land was put up for sale in May 2008.[46]
Pharoah's Kingdom
Pharoah's Kingdom was planned as a $1.2 billion gaming, hotel and theme park complex to be built on 710 acres (290 ha) at Pebble Road and Las Vegas Boulevard, five miles south of the Las Vegas Strip.[49][1] Construction was approved in October 1988,[49] with Silano Development Group as the developer.[50]
The project would have an Egyptian theme, including two 12-story pyramids made of crystal, with each containing 300 suites. The hotel would have a total of 5,000 rooms,[50] making it the largest in the world.[51] The 230,000 sq ft (21,000 m2) casino would include 100 table games and 3,000 slot machines, while an RV park, mini-golf, a bowling alley, and a video game arcade would be located beside the casino area.[52] Three of the project's various pyramid structures would house the 50-acre (20 ha) family theme park. Other features would include sphinxes, man-made beaches, waterways resembling the Nile river, an underwater restaurant, a 24-hour child-care facility, a 100-tenant shopping promenade, and a repertory-style theater that would be overseen by actor Jack Klugman.[52] Additionally, the resort would feature an 18-hole PGA Championship golf course,[52] and a monorail located within the theme park.[50] The project would have one mile of frontage along Las Vegas Boulevard.[52]
Frank Gambella, president of the project, stated that financing was in place, with groundbreaking planned for March or April 1989. Gambella said the project would be financed by several entities, with the money coming from a Nevada corporation, suggesting the entities would be grouped together as an umbrella corporation. Gambella stated that the project could be opened by Labor Day 1990. The resort was expected to employ 8,000 people. Following the completion of the resort, Gambella said a complex of 750 condominiums would be built on the land along with 900 retirement-care apartments.[52]
The project was cancelled shortly after it was announced, as authorities became suspicious of developer Anthony Silano's fundraising efforts for the project. It was discovered that Silano and his associates hacked into the Switzerland bank accounts of Philippine president Ferdinand Marcos following his death in 1989. Silano pleaded guilty to federal conspiracy charges. Another Egyptian-themed resort, Luxor Las Vegas, would open on the south Las Vegas Strip in 1993.[1]
Planet Hollywood Resort (original plans)
Not to be confused with the current Planet Hollywood Resort and Casino.
Originally planned to open in the late 1990s on the site of the Desert Inn, it was to be one of the largest hotels in Las Vegas. Because of the bankruptcy of Planet Hollywood Restaurants, the hotel was never built. However, in the 2000s, a group of investors bought the new Aladdin Hotel and Casino and remodeled it with a modern Hollywood theme.[4]
Playboy Hotel and Casino
A proposed casino resort themed after Playboy magazine was rejected in favor of a nightclub and suites built at the top two floors of the new Palms tower.[4] The planned location for the Playboy Hotel and Casino, on the Las Vegas Strip, was later used for the Cosmopolitan resort.[53]
Santa Fe Valley
Main article: Santa Fe Valley Santa Fe Gaming, which owned the Santa Fe hotel-casino in northwest Las Vegas, had plans for a second Santa Fe property in 1996.[54] The Santa Fe Valley would be built on a 40-acre (16 ha) lot[55] in Henderson, Nevada, adjacent to the Galleria at Sunset mall. The start of construction was delayed several times because of poor financial quarters for Santa Fe Gaming,[54] and because of the company not yet receiving financing for the project.[56] Site preparation started in July 1998, with an opening date scheduled for December 1999,[57] but construction never began. In 1999, the property was sold to Station Casinos,[58][59] which sold the land a year later for use as a shopping center.[60]
Shenandoah Hotel and Casino
A project by Wayne Newton. Although the hotel operated for a short time at 120 E. Flamingo Road, the management was unable to get a gaming license. After years of floundering it was sold to a Canadian company and became Bourbon Street Hotel and Casino.
Silver City proposals
By January 2000, Luke Brugnara was planning to build a San Francisco-themed resort on the site of the closed Silver City Casino.[61] Brugnara intended to give Silver City a multimillion-dollar renovation, with plans to have a fully operational hotel-casino by 2002.[62] In March 2001, Brugnara's request for a gaming license was rejected.[63] In May 2002, it was announced that Brugnara had sold the casino while retaining six acres located behind the building.[64] In 2003, Brugnara was planning to build a 24-story, 304-room hotel and casino resort on a portion of the Silver City property. The resort, to be named "Tycoon", was to be designed by Lee Linton, with an expected cost of approximately $100 million.[65]
Starship Orion
International Thoroughbred Breeders (ITB) announced plans to demolish the El Rancho and construct Starship Orion, a $1 billion hotel, casino, entertainment and retail complex with an outer space theme, covering 5.4 million square feet (501,676 square meters). The resort was to include seven separately owned casinos, each approximately 30,000 square feet (2,787 square meters).[66][67] Each potential casino owner was to contribute up to $100 million to own and operate a casino within the complex.[68] The complex would have included 300,000 square feet (27,871 square meters) of retail space, as well as 2,400 hotel rooms and a 65-story hotel tower. ITB hoped to begin construction later in 1996, with a planned opening date of April 1998.[67]
Sunrise
This was to have been located at 4575 Boulder Highway. Property developer Michael Mona Jr. built the hotel-casino and stated that he was going to break tradition by starting a "casino without a theme". He failed to get an unrestricted gaming license when suspicions arose concerning his associations with alleged organized crime figures. Chips were made for the casino, but were never used.[69] The building was opened as Arizona Charlie's Boulder.
Titanic
In 1999, Bob Stupak was planning a 400-foot-high (122 m) resort themed after the RMS Titanic, to be built on a 10-acre (4 hectares) property he owned near downtown Las Vegas. The resort would have included 1,200 rooms, 800 of which were to be used for timeshares to help finance the project. That year, planning commissioners rejected Stupak's request to change the zoning to allow for a hotel.[70] The project was later planned for the former site of the El Rancho Vegas on the Las Vegas Strip, but was rejected by the Las Vegas City Council.[4]
W Las Vegas
Main article: W Las Vegas W Las Vegas was proposed in August 2005, as a $1.7 billion joint project between Starwood and Edge Resorts, with a scheduled opening in 2008. The project would include a 75,000 sq ft (7,000 m2) casino and approximately 3,000 hotel, condo hotel, and residential units.[71][72] The project was cancelled in May 2007, after Starwood pulled out of the deal.[73]
Wally's Wagon Wheel
Wally's Wagon Wheel was to be developed by Walter Weiss through his company, Magna Leisure Partnership.[74][75] The project was proposed for 2200 South Boulder Highway in Henderson,[76][77] between Wagon Wheel Drive and Roberts Road,[78] near Henderson's Old Vegas western theme park. Manga Leisure Partnership purchased the 15.5-acre property in late February 1988. Weiss, at that time, had tentative plans for a western-themed, 112-room property known then as the Wagon Wheel Hotel and Casino. The Wagon Wheel was expected to cost $15 million, and financing had yet to be obtained for the project, which Weiss expected to open in early 1990.[74] The project, which would include a 55,000 sq ft (5,100 m2) casino, was to be built in two phases.[79]
By October 1991, Wally's Wagon Wheel remained unbuilt due to difficulty obtaining financing.[80][76] That month, the Henderson Planning Commission voted to give Weiss more time to make progress on the project. At that time, the project was to include 204 hotel rooms and would be built on 13.30 acres (5.38 ha). Weiss noted that the nearby successful Sam's Town hotel-casino opened with 204 rooms, and he believed his project would be successful if he opened with the same amount of rooms for good luck.[76] By the end of 1992, Weiss had still not acquired financing for Wally's Wagon Wheel. At the time, the project was the largest of five casinos being planned for Henderson. The three-story project was to include 200 rooms, two restaurants, a theater lounge for country and western entertainment, and a large bingo room. Weiss stated that groundbreaking was scheduled for May 1993, with an expected opening in June 1994. The hotel-casino would employ approximately 600 people upon opening.[81]
Weiss met with nearby residents to discuss the project, and he had the original design changed to include a larger buffer zone between homes and the hotel-casino. In November 1994, the Henderson Planning Commission voted to recommend approval of Weiss' requested zone change as part of the redesign. The project, at that time, was to include a one-story casino and a four-story hotel with 400 rooms.[82][83] In December 1994, the Henderson City Council rejected Weiss' plans for a 200-foot (61 m) buffer.[84]
In July 1997, the unbuilt project received its sixth extension from the Henderson Planning Commission for a use permit and architectural review.[85] In August 1997, the Henderson City Council approved the sixth extension, but denied Weiss' appeal for a one-year extension, instead giving him six months to make progress on the project.[77] Up to that time, $1.7 million had been invested in the project by Magna Leisure Partnership.[86] As of 1998, the project was expected to cost $80 million and employ at least 1,200 people, and the proposed site had increased to 19 acres (7 ha). At that time, Weiss stated that he was close to obtaining financing for the project from a casino operator.[87] The project was never built.
Wild Wild West
Not to be confused with Wild Wild West Gambling Hall & Hotel. As of 1993, Station Casinos owned a 27-acre (11 ha) site on Boulder Highway with the potential to be developed as a casino. The site was located across the street from Sam's Town hotel-casino.[88] In January 1998, Crescent Real Estate Equities Co. announced plans to purchase Station Casinos, which had intended to sell the land prior to the announcement.[89] By March 1998, Station Casinos was planning to develop a hotel-casino complex on the land, which was occupied by a vacant strip mall. The complex would be known as Wild Wild West, with local residents as the target clientele.[90][89]
Crescent's purchase of Station Casinos failed in August 1998, and Station Casinos subsequently slowed its plans to build the project.[91] By the end of the year, the project had received approval from the Clark County Planning Commission for a 273,000 sq ft (25,400 m2) casino and a 504-room hotel.[92] No timetable for construction was announced,[92][93] and Station Casinos had already decided by that point not to start any new projects prior to 2000.[92] Station Casinos sold the undeveloped land for $11.2 million to Wal-Mart Stores, Inc. in April 2004.[94]
World Port
In 2000, Howard Bulloch, David Gaffin, and their partner Tom Gonzales transferred ownership of the Glass Pool Inn property to their group, known as New World, with plans for a megaresort.[95] New World purchased several other nearby motels to accumulate a 77-acre (31 ha) parcel located on the Las Vegas Strip and east of the Mandalay Bay.[96] In January 2001, plans were announced for World Port Resorts, a megaresort consisting of hotel-casinos, a convention center and a fine arts facility. The project was to be built on the 77-acre (31 ha property, a portion of which was occupied by the Glass Pool Inn.[96]
World Trade Center
To have been located at 925 East Desert Inn Road. Leonard Shoen, co-founder of U-Haul truck rental, purchased the property of what had been the Chaparral Hotel & Casino in 1996, renovating it into the World Trade Center Hotel. A gaming license was applied for, but when it was discovered that two of Shoen's closest partners were convicted felons, the application was denied in 1998. He withdrew his application, and died in a car crash in 1999 that was ruled a suicide. Cards and gaming chips were produced for the World Trade Center Casino, but were never used.[97] The property has since been demolished and is now a parking lot, part of the Las Vegas Convention Center Annex.
World Wrestling Federation
A casino resort themed after the World Wrestling Federation (WWF) was proposed for a property near the Interstate 15 freeway across from Mandalay Bay. The project never went past the proposal stage.[4] The land where it would have stood is now Allegiant Stadium.
WWF also proposed to open the project on the property once used by the Clarion Hotel and Casino, which was demolished in 2015 to become a parking lot.
Xanadu
In February 1976, the Clark County Commission approved the 23-story Xanadu resort, to be built on the Las Vegas Strip at the corner of South Las Vegas Boulevard and Tropicana Avenue. The resort would include approximately 1,700 hotel rooms and a casino, as well as convention facilities, a showroom, dining, and indoor tennis courts. The resort was to be developed by Tandy McGinnis – of Bowling Green, Kentucky – and his Xanadu Corporation, and would be built on 48.6 acres (19.7 ha) owned by Howard Downes, a resident of Coral Gables, Florida.[98][99][100] The Xanadu would feature a pyramid design, and was expected to cost $150 million.[100] It would have been the first themed mega-resort. Much information and many artifacts of the project are housed at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas library. The Excalibur Hotel and Casino ultimately opened on the property in 1990.[101]
See also
Category:Defunct casinos in the Las Vegas Valley List of Atlantic City casinos that never opened

Edit 4/4: The lineup has dropped, bold denotes acts playing
This is a list of acts that are potentially in and are most certainly out for OSLs 2017, I mostly stuck to notable names so that I only had to turn over hundreds of rocks rather than thousands. I intend to update this list via edit from now until the lineup drop (within 30 days at this point I should think). If you want to add someone to this list just comment below and I will modify the list and credit your handle next to the edit. If you want to find someone in particular quickly I suggest you use ctrl F.
Out due to gigs at AT&T Park/Levi's Stadium in San Francisco and Santa Clara CA (May through November)

• U2: Levi's Stadium May 17th
• Mumford & Sons: Levi's Stadium May 17th
• James Taylor: AT&T Park July 29th
• Bonnie Raitt: AT&T Park July 29th
• Lady Gaga: AT&T Park August 13th
• Coldplay: Levi's Stadium October 4th
• Tove Lo: Levi's Stadium October 4th Edit 3/29/17: moved from "Potential undercard" (undeadsinatra)

Out due to gigs at the Oracle arena in Oakland CA (May through November)

• E-40: May 20th Edit 3/20/17: added
• Schoolboy Q: May 20th Edit 3/20/17: moved from "potential undercard"
• IAMSU!: May 20th Edit 3/21/17: added (undeadsinatra)
• Nef The Pharaoh: May 20th Edit 3/21/17: added (undeadsinatra)
• Roger Waters: June 10th
• Tool: Edit 4/3/17: moved from "Potential Undercard" June 21st (BurtCracklin)
• Iron Maiden: July 5th
• Shawn Mendes: July 11th
• J. Cole: July 14th & 15th
• Ed Sheeran August 2nd Edit 3/8/17: moved from "potential undercard" (basedgod94)
• Green Day: August 5th
• Catfish and the Bottlemen: August 5th
• Depeche Mode: October 10th
• Bruno Mars: November 3rd

Out due to gigs at the SAP Center in San Jose CA (May through November)

• Chris Brown: May 18th
• 50 Cent: May 18th
• Roger Waters: June 7th
• Queen + Adam Lambert: June 29th
• Bruno Mars: July 20th & 21st
• Daryl Hall & John Oates: July 25th
• Tears for Fears: July 25th
• Depeche Mode: October 8th

Out due to gigs at the Golden One Center in Sacramento CA (May through November)

• Lionel Richie: May 2nd
• Mariah Carey: May 2nd
• The Chainsmokers: May 4th
• Kiiara: May 4th
• Chris Brown: May 13th
• 50 Cent: May 13th
• Roger Waters: June 12th
• Tool: June 23 Edit 4/3/17: added
• Bruno Mars: July 18th
• Daryl Hall & John Oates: July 23rd
• Tears for Fears: July 23rd
• John Mayer: July 27th
• Ed Sheeran August 1st Edit 3/8/17: added
• Lady Gaga: August 15th

Out due to gigs at Shoreline Amphitheatre in Mountain View CA (May through November)

• Chris Stapleton: June 2nd
• Dead & Company: June 3rd & 4th
• Future: June 15th
• Migos: June 15th
• Tory Lanez: June 15th
• Kodak: June 15th
• Korn (lol): June 22nd
• Train: July 8th
• John Mayer: July 29th
• Steve Miller Band: August 12th Edit 4/1/17
• Jimmy Eat World: August 16th
• Incubus: August 16th
• Kings of Leon: August 24th
• Nathaniel Rateliff & the NightSweats: August 24th Edit 3/17/17: (dml26 from the Coachella forums)
• Cheap Trick: September 2nd Edit 3/22/17
• Nickelback (lol): September 3rd
• Muse: September 15th
• Thirty Seconds to Mars: September 15th
• Sublime with Rome: September 27th Edit 3/15/17: added
• The Offspring: September 27th Edit 3/15/17: added
• Zac Brown Band: October 27th

Out due to gigs at the Concord Pavilion in Concord CA (May through November)

• Kidz Bop (lol): June 2nd
• Deftones: July 6th
• Rise Against: July 6th

Out due to gigs at the Greek Theatre in Berkley CA (May through November)

• Jean-Michel Jarre: May 26th
• John Legend: May 27th
• Ryan Adams: June 2nd
• Elvis Costello & the Imposters: June 3rd
• Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds: June 24th
• Miike Snow: July 1st Edit 3/20/17: added (COAchillENT)
• Phantogram: July 1st Edit 3/20/17: moved from "potential undercard" (COAchillENT)
• Slightly Stoopid: July 22nd
• Iration: July 22nd Edit 3/28/17: added (undeadsinatra)
• J Boog: July 22nd Edit 3/28/17: added (undeadsinatra)
• The Movement: July 22nd Edit 3/28/17: added (undeadsinatra)
• Third Eye Blind: July 23rd
• Jack Johnson: July 26th & 27th
• Portugal. the Man: July 28th
• Local Natives: July 28th
• Hans Zimmer: August 9th Edit 4/3/17: added (mknap24)
• Primus: August 18th Edit 3/20/17: added (COAchillENT)
• Clutch: August 18th Edit 3/20/17: added
• Willie Nelson & Friends: August 19th Edit 3/23/17: added
• Rancid: August 20th
• Dropkick Murphys: August 20th
• Mac Demarco: September 8th

Out due to gigs at Bill Graham Civic Auditorium in San Francisco CA (May through November)

• The Chainsmokers: May 5th & 6th
• Kiiara: May 5th & 6th
• Kyle: May 6th Edit 3/23/17: added
• At the Drive in: May 12th
• Martin Garrix: May 17th to 19th Edit 3/17/17: added (siberian_huskies)
• DreamSTATE: May 27th & 28th
• Kehlani: June June 17th
• Run the Jewels: July 22nd
• Slayer: August 9th
• Lamb of God: August 9th

Out due to gigs at the Masonic in San Francisco CA (May through November)

• Brandi Carlile: May 6th
• Dan TDB: May 7th
• PJ Harvey: May 9th
• Modest Mouse: May 27th
• Julieta Venegas: June 1st
• Duran Duran: July 8th
• Natalie Merchant: July 20th
• Adam Ant: September 29th

Out due to gigs at the Fox theater in Oakland CA (May through November)

• Flogging Molly: May 4th Edit 3/15/17: added (undeadsinatra)
• White Buffalo: May 4th Edit 3/15/17: added (undeadsinatra)
• Old Crow Medicine Show: May 6th
• The Flaming Lips: May 10th
• Conor Oberst: May 12th
• Julien Baker: May 12th Edit 3/22/17: added
• The Jesus and Mary Chain: May 20th
• Midnight Oil: May 27th
• Trey Songz: June 2nd Edit 3/22/17: added
• King Crimson: June 16th & 17th Edit 3/22/17: added second date
• Seu Jorge: June 24th Edit 3/22/17: added
• Duran Duran: July 7th Edit 3/22/17: added
• All Time Low: July 8th
• The Decemberists: August 17th Edit 3/27/17: added (COAchillENT)
• Sylvan Esso: August 22nd & 23rd Edit 3/22/17: added second date
• Elbow: November 13th

Edit 4/3/17 (undeadsinatra) added: Out due to gigs at the Mountain Winery in Saratoga CA (May through November

• The Moody Blues: June 6th
• Sheryl Crow w. Margaret Glaspy: June 10th
• John Mellencamp w. Emmylou Harris, Carlene Carter and Lily & Madeleine: June 13th
• King Crimson: June 15th
• TajMo: The Taj Mahal & Keb' Mo' Band: June 16th
• The Specials: June 17th
• Gordon Lightfoot: June 18th
• Ziggy Marley: June 20th
• Andrew Bird: June 30th (moved from "potential undercard")
• Martina McBride: July 2nd
• Blondie & Garbage w. John Doe & Exene Cervenka: July 5th (Blondie moved form "potential undercard)
• Chris Isaak: July 9th
• Happy Together Tour 2017- The Turtles featuring Flo & Eddie, Chuck Negron formerly of Three Dog Night, The Association, The Cowsills, The Box Tops, The Archies & Ron Dante: July 12th
• The Roots: July 13th
• The Temptations/The Four Tops: July 14th
• Lyle Lovett & His Large Band: July 18th
• Natalie Merchant: July 19th
• 2CELLOS: July 20th
• Retro Futura: featuring Howard Jones, The English Beat, Men Without Hats, Modern English, Paul Young & Katrina.: July 21st
• R&B Remix Tour featuring Bobby Brown, After 7 & Tony Toni Tone: July 22nd
• Kool & The Gang & The Village People: July 23rd
• Buddy Guy & Johnny Lang: July 29th
• Frankie Valley & The Four Seasons: July 29th
• Violent Femmes / Echo & The Funnymen: July 30th
• The Band Perry: August 1st
• Diana Krall: August 2nd
• Morris Day & The Time, Zapp & Lakeside: August 3rd
• Rodrigo y Gabriela: August 4th
• ABBA tribute act: August 6th
• Boz Scaggs / Michael McDonald: August 8th
• Jake Owen w. Drew Baldridge: August 9th
• Huey Lewis & The News: August 12th
• Jill Scott: August 13th
• Wille Nelson & Kacey Musgraves: August 15th (Kacey Musgraves moved from "potential undercard")
• Gregory Alan Isakov / Blind Pilot: August 16th
• Seal: August 17th
• Beatles tribute band: August 18th
• The Chick Corea Elektric Band / Bela Fleck & The Flecktones: August 19th
• Brian Ferry w Judith Owen: August 21st
• St. Paul & The Broken Bones / Trombone Shorty & Orleans Avenue: August 22nd
• Pat Benatar & Neil Giraldo / TOTO: August 23d
• Pink Martini: August 24th
• Kamasi Washington: August 25th
• Lake Street Dive: August 26th
• Dwight Yoakum with The Blasters & King Leg: August 27th
• Yes: August 28th
• ZZ Top & The Doobie Brothers: August 29th (ZZ Top moved from "potential undercard")
• Chicago: August 30th
• Lost 80's Live - featuring Tony Hadley formerly of Spandau Ballet, Cutting Crew, Wang Chung, Berlin, The Flirts, Naked Eyes, Missing Persons, The Motels & Pretty Poison.: September 2nd
• I Love The 90's Tour featuring Salt-N-Pepa, Color Me Badd, O-Town & Young MC.: September 3rd
• Steve Winwood.: September 5th
• George Benson / Kenny G: September 7th
• Indigo Girls: Septmeber 8th
• The Gipsy Kings: Septmber 10th
• Café Tacuba: September 14th (moved from "potential undercard")
• Tribal Seeds / Pepper: September 16th
• Il Divo: September 17th
• Michael Franti & Spearhead: September 19th
• The Beach Boys: September 22nd
• Adam Ant: September 28th
• The Mavericks w. special guest JD McPherson: October 7th
• Brian Wilson Performs Pet Sounds: October 13th (moved from "potential headliners")

Out due to gigs at the Warfield in San Francisco CA (May through November)

• Rodriguez: May 25th
• Bush: June 1st
• Streetlight Manifesto: June 29th
• Kansas: September 12th Edit 4/3/17: added (amwoods13)

Out due to gigs at the Fillmore in San Francisco CA (May through November)

• Willie Nelson & Family: May 2nd-6th
• Andrew McMahon in the Wilderness: May 7th
• Atlas Genius: May 7th
• Aimee Mann: May 12th
• Jonathan Coulton: May 12th
• Wale: May 13th
• Sammy Hagar: May 15th Edit 3/28/17: added (undeadsinatra)
• Pat Benatar: May 15th Edit 3/28/17: Moved from "Potential Undercard" (undeadsinatra)
• Neil Giraldo: May 15th Edit 3/28/17: added (undeadsinatra)
• Don Felder: May 15th Edit 3/28/17: added (undeadsinatra)
• Mick Fleetwood: May 15th Edit 3/28/17: added (undeadsinatra)
• Dave Grohl: May 15th Edit 3/28/17: added (undeadsinatra)
• Viv Johnson: May 15th Edit 3/28/17: added (undeadsinatra)
• Sarah McLachlan: May 15th Edit 3/28/17: added (undeadsinatra)
• Steve Vai: May 15th Edit 3/28/17: added (undeadsinatra)
• Bob Weir: May 15th Edit 3/28/17: Moved from "Potential Undercard" (undeadsinatra)
• Dustbowl Revival: May 20th
• The Mountain Goats: June 1st & 2nd
• Seether: June 5th
• Vulfpeck: June 6th & 7th
• Corinne Bailey Rae June 8th Edit 4/3/17: added (amwoods13)
• Hurray for the Riff Raff: June 11th
• The Record Company: June 16th
• Cat Power: June 25th Edit 4/3/17: added (amwoods13)
• The Revolution July 11th-12th Edit 4/3/17: added (amwoods13)
• The Psychedelic Furs (with Robyn Hitchcock): July 25th Edit 4/3/17: added (amwoods13)
• Toad the Wet Sprocket: August 3rd Edit 4/3/17: added (amwoods13)
• Alison Moyet: September 25th Edit 4/3/17: added (amwoods13)
• Saint Etienne (October 4th) Edit 4/3/17: added (amwoods13)

Out due to playing Bottlerock in Napa CA (May 26th-28th, this is just the first several lines)

• Foo Fighters
• Tom Petty & the Heartbreakers
• Maroon 5
• Macklemore & Ryan Lewis
• Modest Mouse
• Ben Harper & the Innocent Criminals
• The Roots
• Silversun Pickups
• Band of Horses
• Fitz & the Tantrums
• Dirty Heads
• Live
• The Naked and Famous
• The Devil Makes three
• Michael Franti & Spearhead
• Gavin Degraw
• St. Lucia
• House of Pain
• Bob Moses
• Catfish & the Bottlemen
• Saint Motel
• The Strumbellas
• Alunageorge
• Galactic Edit 3/20/17: added
• Con Brio Edit 3/20/17: added
• Charles Bradley and his Extraordinaires Edit 3/22/17: added

Out due to playing Santa Cruz American music festival in Santa Cruz CA (May 27th & 28th)

• Melissa Etheridge
• Devil Makes Three
• The Rides (Stephen Still, Kenny Wayne Shepherd & Barry Goldberg)
• Mavis Staples
• JJ Grey & Mofro
• The Wood Brothers
• The Record Company
• The Brothers Comatose
• Baskery
• Barns Courtney

Out due to playing Colossal Clusterfest in San Francisco CA (June 2nd-4th)

• Ice Cube
• Tegan and Sara
• Chromeo
• Lil Dicky
• Ty Segall
• Vince Staples
• Lizzo
• Preservation Hall Jazz Band
• Jidenna

Out due to playing Phono Del Sol Music and Food Festival in San Francisco CA (June 17th)

• Thee Oh Sees
• The Coathangers
• Jay Som
• Sean Hayes

Out due to playing Id1ot Fest in Mountain View CA (June 24th & 25th)

• Weezer
• Girl Talk
• TV on the Radio
• Madeon
• Zeds Dead
• OK GO
• Lord Huron
• Car Seat Headrest
• The Mowgli's
• Ron Gallo
• Animal Collective
• Crystal Castles
• Robert Delong
• Mothers
• Jai Wolf
• Troyboi

Out due to playing Burger Boogaloo in Oakland CA (July 1st & 2nd)

• Buzz Cock
• X
• John Waters
• Guitar Wolf
• NRBQ
• Edit 3/8/17: Iggy Pop (moved from potential undercard)

Out due to playing San Jose Jazz Summer Fest in San Jose CA (same weekend as OSLs)

• George Clinton and Parliament Funkadelic
• Dr. Lonnie Smith Trio
• Angelique Kidjo
• Chris Botti
• Maceo Parker
• The Whispers

Out due to playing Flow festival in Finland (same weekend as OSLs)

• Lana Del Rey
• Aphex Twin
• Young Thug
• Car Seat Headrest
• The xx
• Flume
• Sampha
• Frank Ocean
• Ryan Adams
• Moderat
• Vince Staples
• Angel Olsen
• Jenny Hval
• Sparks
• Edit (amwoods13) 3/30/17 added: London Grammar

Out due to playing Boardmasters festival in the UK (same weekend as OSLs)

• Two Door Cinema Club
• The Flaming Lips
• Jagwar Ma
• Gorgon City
• Jake Bugg
• Pete Tong
• Alt-J Edit Contested by mknap24 on 3/8/17 to be put back in the "potential undercard".
• Stormzy
• Ziggy Marley
• Hot Since 82
• Edit (omik11) 3/12/17 added: Tourist

Out due to playing Way out West festival in Sweden (same weekend as OSLs)

• Angel Olsen
• Chance the Rapper
• Danny Brown
• Feist
• Frank Ocean
• Lana Del Rey
• Mac Demarco
• Major Lazer
• Pixies
• Ryan Adams
• The Black Madonna
• The Shins
• The XX
• Thee Oh Sees
• Young Thug

Out due to playing Smukfest in Denmark (same weekend as OSLs)

• DJ Snake
• Ellie Goulding
• Major Lazer
• Mark Ronson
• Alesso

Out due to playing Oya Festival in Norway (same weekend as OSLs)

• M0
• Vince Staples
• Car Seat Headrest
• Pixies
• The Shins
• Cashmere Cat
• Angel Olsen

Out due to playing SonneMondSterne Festival in Germany (same weekend as OSLs)

• Major Lazer
• Steve Aoki
• Marshmello
• Galantis
• Dillion Francis
• Boys Noize
• Zeds Dead
• Martin Garrix
• Edit 4/3/17 added: Bloody Beetroots

Out due to playing Boomtown Fair in the UK (same weekend as OSLs)

• M.I.A
• Cypress Hill
• Sublime with Rome
• The Original Blues Brothers Band
• Ziggy Marley
• Toots & the Maytals
• Edit 3/8/17 added: The Specials

Out due to playing Haven Festival in Denmark (same weekend as OSLs)

• Band of Horses
• Beach house
• Chance the Rapper
• Conor Oberst
• Feist
• Iggy Pop
• SBTRKT
• The National

Probably out due to Sziget Festival in Hungary (same weekend as OSLs, note that this festival is seven days long and therefore it is possible that some of the names below will make it to OSLs, we'll know more when the day by day breakdown comes out)

• Kasabian
• Major Lazer
• Flume
• PJ Harvey
• Interpol
• Two Door Cinema Club
• Charli XCX
• George Ezra
• The Kills
• Steve Aoki
• Bad Religion
• the Pretty Reckless
• DJ Shadow
• Danny Brown
• Crystal Fighters
• Mac Demarco
• The Naked and Famous
• Oh Wonder
• Cashmere Cat
• Edit added 3/8/17: Alt-J Edit Contested by mknap24 on 3/8/17 to be put back in the "potential undercard".

The following are acts that were in the first six lines of OSLs in 2015 and 2016 that are not already ruled out above and can safely be assumed out for this year.
Headliners

• Radiohead (2016)
• LCD Soundsystem (2016)
• Elton John (2015)
• The Black Keys (2015)

2016

• Duran Duran
• Zedd
• Major Lazer
• Air
• Sufjan Stevens
• Miguel
• Halsey
• Big Grams (Big Boi + Phantogram)
• Grimes
• Jason Isbell
• Miike Snow
• Kehlani
• The Last Shadow Puppets
• Griz
• Brandi Carlile
• Thomas Jack
• Nathaniel Rateliff & the Night Sweats
• Foals
• Jauz
• The Claypool Lennon Delirium
• Years & Years
• Edit (scrubbub) 3/7/17: Whitney (moved from potential undercard)
• Edit (spiderman49) 3/7/17: Snakehips (moved from potential undercard)
• Edit (Vasoline Groove on the Coachella forums) 3/16/17: added: Anderson .Paak
• Edit 3/20/17: added: Con Brio
• Edit 3/24/17: Lettuce (moved from potential undercard)
• Edit (scrubbub) 3/29/17: The Wombats
• Edit 4/3/17: Tokimonsta

2015

• Sam Smith
• Kendrick Lamar
• Wilco
• Axwell & Ingrosso
• Tame Impala
• D'Angelo and the Vanguard
• St. Vincent
• Porter Robinson
• Billy Idol
• G-Eazy
• Hot Chip
• Caribou
• Milky Chance
• Chet Faker
• Nate Ruess
• Odesza
• First Aid Kit
• Toro Y Moi
• RL Grime
• Lake Street Dive
• George Ezra
• Iration
• Glass Animals
• Alex Bleeker & the Freaks
• Edit 3/8/17 added: Amon Tobin

Others that are out

• Neil Young + Crazy Horse: Taking 2017 off (except for Bridge probably): https://www.jambase.com/article/report-neil-young-not-touring-in-2017
• Dave Matthews (and Band): Taking 2017 off: https://www.jambase.com/article/dave-matthews-band-announces-summer-tour-2017-hiatus
• Beyoncé: While she will have had her babies by the time OSLs rolls around it would be a real snub to Coachella if she played any other festivals after her cancelation, despite her now playing Coachella 2018.
• Billy Joel: Billy has a show in Chicago the Friday of OSLs, while it is possible that he could play Saturday or Sunday it would seem that he never plays a show without a few days off in between.
• Van Morrison: Playing gigs in Ireland the Saturday and Sunday of OSLs.
• Badbadnotgood: Playing Haldern Pop Festival in Germany that weekend
• Buddy Guy: Playing Thunder Valley Casino on July 29th, it's close enough that it probably rules him out and it wouldn't make much sense to hang around for two weeks or leave and come back for OSLs.
• Guns N' Roses: Playing a show in NC on Friday and PA on Sunday.
• Edit (b18Researcher) added 3/7/17: Midland: Playing Houghton Festival in the UK
• Edit added 3/8/17: Benny Benassi: Playing France on Saturday.
• Edit (undeadsinatra) Moved from "Potential Undercard" 3/10/17: Pet Shop Boys: Playing Croatia Saturday.
• Edit (COAchillENT) Moved from "Potential Undercard" 3/13/17: Morning Jacket: Playing three gigs in a row on 8/10, 8/11, and 8/12 in Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Massachusetts respectively.
• Edit Moved from "Potential Headliners" 3/13/17: Paul McCartney: No new material since 2013 appearance.
• Edit Moved from "Potential Headliners" 3/13/17: Stevie Wonder: No new material since 2012 appearance.
• Edit (undeadsinatra) added 3/15/17: DJ Mustard: Doing a residency at 1015 Folsom in San Francisco.
• Edit (undeadsinatra) added 3/15/17: Metro Boomin: Doing a residency at 1015 Folsom in San Francisco.
• Edit Moved from "Potential Undercard" 3/15/17: Cut Copy: No new material since 2014 appearance.
• Edit Moved from "Potential Undercard" 3/15/17: Vance Joy: No new material since 2014 appearance.
• Edit Moved from "Potential Undercard" 3/15/17: Yeah Yeah Yeahs: No new material since 2013 appearance.
• Edit added 3/16/17: St. Paul & the Broken Bones: Playing in Rohnert Park CA on August 24th.
• Edit added 3/20/17: David Lindley : playing Yoshi's in Oakland CA on May 29th.
• Edit (COAchillENT) Moved from "Potential Headliners" 3/21/17: Phish: They announced tour dates and there was a note stating "No additional summer or fall dates will be announced".
• Edit Moved from "Potential Undercard" 3/21/17: Motor City Drum Ensemble: In the UK on the Saturday of OSLs.
• Edit (ChristianDavid1) Moved from "Potential Undercard" 3/22/17: The Decemberists: they're starting their own festival OSLs weekend, with blackjack and hookers.
• Edit added 3/23/17: Sun Kil Moon: Playing Palace of the Fine Arts May 25th
• Edit added 3/23/17: Magik*Magik: Playing Palace of the Fine Arts May 25th
• Edit (Playtek) Moved from "Potential Undercard" 3/27/17: Phoenix: Playing Indonesia the same weekend as OSLs.
• Edit (mknap24) added 3/29/17: P!nk: Playing Germany during OSLs weekend.
• Edit added 4/2/17: Lil Wayne: Playing Germany during OSLs Weekend.

Edit 3/11/17 added: The following are acts that played bay area gigs the same year as an OSLs appearance
2016

• Grimes: Played the Fox Theater in Oakland on April 20th Edit 3/10/17: added (bobfrancis31)
• Kamasi Washington: Played the Independent in San Francisco on February 25th: added (bobfrancis31)
• Kehlani: Played KMEL Summer Jam at the Oracle Arena in Oakland on June 12th Edit 3/10/17: added (basedgod94)
• The Knocks: Played the Independent in San Francisco from February 9th to the 11th Edit 3/10/17: added (bobfrancis31)
• Miike Snow: Played the Independent in San Francisco on April 13th & 14th Edit 3/11/17: added
• St. Lucia: Played the Independent in San Francisco on March 6th Edit 3/10/17: added (bobfrancis31)
• Vince Staples: Played Noise Pop at the Independent in San Francisco on February 27th Edit 3/10/17: added (bobfrancis31)
• The Last Shadow Puppets: Played the Fillmore in San Francisco on April 17th Edit 3/16/17: added (LucyBlotter)

2015

• G Eazy: Played KMEL Summer Jam at the Oracle Arena in Oakland on June 13th Edit 3/10/17: added (basedgod94)
• Lindsey Stirling: Played the Greek in Oakland August 8th Edit 4/3/17: added (bobfrancis31)

2014

• Chromeo: Played the Independent in San Francisco on April 12th Edit 3/10/17: added (bobfrancis31)

Edit 3/13/17 added: The following is a list of returnees and the gaps between return performances
Headliners

• Tom Petty and the Heart Breakers 08 & 14 (six year gap)
• Radiohead 08 & 16 (eight year gap)
• The Black Keys 08, 11, & 15 (first two appearance not as headliner and the only act to appear three times thus far)

No gap

• Givers 14 & 15

Three year gap

• Arctic Monkeys 11 & 14
• Dawes 10 & 13
• Foals 13 & 16
• Grouplove 11 & 14
• Lyrics Born 08 & 11
• Macklemore & Ryan Lewis 11 & 14
• Nicki Bluhm & the Gramblers 11 & 14
• Phoenix 10 & 13
• Portugal. The Man 09 & 12
• Pretty Lights 10 & 13
• Tame Impala 12 & 15
• Zedd 13 & 16

Four year gap

• Andrew Bird 08 & 12
• Band of Horses 09 & 13
• Beck 08 & 12
• Caveman 12 & 16
• Chromeo 10 & 14
• Matt and Kim 09 & 13
• The National 09 & 13
• Regina Spektor 08 & 12
• Sean Hayes 08 & 12
• Toro Y Moi 11 & 15
• Two Gallants 08 & 12
• The Walkmen 08 & 12

Five year gap

• Atmosphere 09 & 14
• The Devil Makes Three 10 & 15
• Lord Huron & 11 & 16
• Major Lazer 11 & 16
• The Mother Hips 08 & 13

Seven year gap

• Ben Harper and the Innocent Criminals 08 & 15

Eight year gap

• Rogue Wave 08 & 16

The following are acts that are still in play that have been mentioned in this sub since January 1st, this does not mean that every name below is necessarily likely so much as not eliminated.
Potential Headliners

• Adele
• Arcade Fire (Arcade Fire Tube tweeted the band let slip they'll be coming to Montreal in the Autumn/Fall) Edit 3/17/17: reasons for probability added (mknap24)
• Aretha Franklin Edit 3/8/17: added
• Bjork
• Blink 182 Edit 3/21/17: added
• Bob Dylan (and his band)
• Bon Jovi Edit 3/13/17: added (optimize375)
• Bruce Springsteen (and the E Street band)
• The Cure Edit 3/17/17: added
• Daft Punk (lol)
• David Gilmour Edit 3/8/17: added
• Dr. Dre
• Drake
• The Eagles Edit 3/22/17: added (gmoney679)
• Eminem
• Eric Clapton
• Fleetwood Mac
• Florence and the Machine Edit 3/16/17: added (Southpaw27 on the Coachella forums)
• Gorillaz
• Imagine Dragons Edit 3/8/17: added (I hope not)
• Jack White
• Jay Z
• Jeff Lynne (ELO) Edit 3/8/17: added
• Justin Timberlake
• Kanye West Edit 4/2/17: added (blacktwigs)
• Katy Perry Edit 3/21/17: added (nachosyo)
• The Killers Edit 3/22/17: added
• The Lonely Island Edit 4/3/17: added (basedgod94)
• Metallica (Tour Schedule and comment at their last SF show) Edit 3/9/17: reasons for probability added (hotshots2)
• Missy Elliott Edit 3/21/17: added
• Nine Inch Nails (unsure of headliner status due to low turnout in 2013)
• Outkast Edit 3/30/17: added (PatrickCassidy23)
• Paul Simon Edit 3/8/17: added
• Pearl Jam
• Phil Collins (Possible Genesis reunion) Edit 3/10/17 added possible Genesis reunion (COAchillENT).
• Red Hot Chili Peppers Edit 3/8/17: added
• Rihanna Edit 3/13/17: added (aaapod)
• Robert Plant
• Sting Edit 3/16/17: added
• The Strokes
• A Tribe Called Quest (billed as undercard)
• Twenty One Pilots
• Usher
• Van Halen Edit 3/17/17: added (Jankster36 from the Coachella forums)
• The Weeknd (Tour Schedule and headlining Roo which usually shares one headliner with OSL) Edit 3/9/17: reasons for probability added (hotshots2)
• The Who Edit 3/8/17: added Edit 3/13/17: added reason for likeliness: Playing Las Vegas on August 11th (bobfrancis31)

Potential Undercard

• The 1975
• 21 Savage Edit 4/2/17: added (mileslwayne)
• A-Trak Edit 3/8/17: corrected spelling (donofkings_)
• Action Bronson Edit 3/29/17: added (freckledbeast)
• AFI Edit 3/8/17: added
• Alabama Shakes Edit 3/8/17: added
• Alice Smith Edit 3/20/17: added
• Amine
• Amos Lee Edit 3/11/17: added (undeadsinatra)
• Andy Grammer Edit 3/20/17: added
• Arca Edit 3/22/17: added
• The Arcs Edit 3/12/17: added (Stayedgyyy)
• Ardalan Edit 3/9/17: added (itchycanscratch)
• Atmosphere Edit 3/13/17: moved from "Out due to OSLs 2014" due to new material and tour since last OSLs appearance.
• The Avalanches
• Avett Brothers Edit 3/11/17: added (undeadsinatra)
• A$AP Mob (all members are available)
• Banks
• Bassnectar
• Bastille Edit 3/10/17: added (undeadsinatra)
• Beck
• Belle and Sebastian
• Bennie Maupin Ensemble Edit 3/20/17: added
• Big Body Bes Edit 3/29/17: added (sungod_drunkxxx)
• Big Gigantic
• Bleachers
• Bloc Party Edit 3/8/17: added
• Blood Orange Edit 3/26/17: added (Stayedgyyy)
• Bloody Beetroots Edit 4/1/17: added (MedicineMan323)
• Body Count Edit 3/30/17: added (undeadsinatra)
• Bon Iver
• Bonobo
• Brand New
• Breakbot
• Broken Social Scene
• Cage the Elephant
• Cake Edit 3/8/17: added
• Caleborate Edit 3/28/17: added (Teflon-Ron)
• Calvin Harris Edit 3/8/17: added (optimize375)
• Cap'n Jazz Edit 3/21/17: added (mileslwayne)
• Carole King Edit 3/21/17: added (expowderpuff)
• Cee Lo Green Edit 3/8/17: added
• Cherry Glazerr Edit 3/27/17: added (kingreynoso)
• Chevelle
• Childish Gambino
• Christian Martin Edit 3/9/17: added (itchycanscratch)
• Chvrches Edit 3/28/17: added (myobiyuki)
• Claude VonStroke Edit 3/9/17: added (itchycanscratch)
• Coheed and Cambria Edit 3/8/17: added
• Cold War Kids
• Common Edit 3/8/17: added
• Country Joe McDonald Edit 3/31/17: added (amwoods13)
• Damian 'Jr Gong' Marley Edit 3/8/17: added
• Dan Auerbach
• David Guetta Edit 3/9/17: added (optimize375)
• Dawes Edit 3/11/17: added (undeadsinatra)
• Day Wave
• De La Soul Edit 3/8/17: added
• Deadmou5 Edit 3/8/17: added
• Death Cab for Cutie Edit 3/13/17: moved from "Out due to OSLs 2014" due to new material and tour since last OSLs appearance.
• Death from Above 1979
• Death Grips Edit 3/9/17: added (Brew_Swillis)
• Def Leppard Edit 3/22/17: added (spiderman49)
• Denzel Curry Edit 3/8/17: added (basedgod94)
• Descendents Edit 3/8/17: added
• Detroit Swindle Edit 3/7/17: added (b18Researcher)
• Devendra Banhart Edit 3/10/17: added (undeadsinatra)
• Die Antwoord
• Disclosure Edit 3/13/17: moved from "Out due to OSLs 2014" due to new material and tour since last OSLs appearance.
• DJ Khaled Edit 3/10/17: added (undeadsinatra)
• DJ Shadow (not likely due to Sziget fest)
• Domo Genesis Edit 3/25/17: added (mizupman24)
• Don Henley Edit 3/28/17: added (dietstache)
• Donovan Edit 3/31/17: added (amwoods13)
• D.R.A.M Edit 3/10/17: added (undeadsinatra)
• Dr. Dog Edit 3/10/17: added (MalledbyJesus)
• The-Dream
• DREAMCAR Edit 3/9/17: added (KeybordKat)
• Duke Dumont
• Earl Sweatshirt Edit 3/25/17: added (mizupman24)
• Ekali Edit 3/27/17: added (jonnytsunami22)
• Empire of the Sun
• Erykah Badu Edit 3/27/17: added (kingreynoso)
• Explosions in the Sky Edit 3/8/17: added
• Father John Misty
• Fetty Wap
• Fleet Foxes
• Flight Facilities
• Floating Points Edit 3/12/17: added (Stayedgyyy)
• Flying Lotus
• Foster the people Edit 3/8/17: added
• Four Tet Edit 3/10/17: added (undeadsinatra)
• Francis and the Lights
• Franz Ferdinand
• Future Islands (highly likely as pointed out by sungod_drunkxxx and mknap24 on 3/28/17 because OSLs used their most recent single in a promo).
• Gary Clark Jr.
• The Glitch Mob Edit 3/8/17: added
• Gojira
• Grace Mitchell Edit 3/10/17: added (undeadsinatra)
• Gramatik Edit 3/8/17: added (donofkings_)
• Grandaddy Edit 3/21/17: added (bhorn86)
• The Grouch
• Grouplove Edit 3/13/17: moved from "Out due to OSLs 2014" due to new material and tour since last OSLs appearance.
• The Growlers Edit 3/8/17: added (mknap24)
• Gucci Mane Edit 3/10/17: added (undeadsinatra)
• HAIM Edit 3/28/17: added (kaityrawr)
• Hamilton Leithauser + Rostam Edit 3/19/17: added (sadjebbush)
• The Head and the Heart
• Hop Along Edit 3/21/17:
• Hotelier Edit 3/29/17: (IrateDesperado)
• How to Dress Well
• Hunee Edit 3/7/17: added (b18Researcher)
• Ice-T Edit 3/30/17: added (undeadsinatra)
• Infected Mushroom Edit 3/8/17: added
• Isaiah Rashad
• J. Phlip Edit 3/9/17: added (itchycanscratch)
• Jackson Browne Edit 3/22/17: added (blackhawksfan12)
• James Blake
• James Murphy
• Jamtown Feat. Donovan Frankenreiter, G. Love & Cisco Adler Edit 3/20/17: added
• Japandroids
• Jay Rock
• Jeff Beck Edit 3/17/17: added
• Jeff Goldblum and the Mildred Snitzer Orchestra Edit 3/20/17: added
• Jeremih
• Jet
• Joey Bada$$ 3/24/17: added (donofkings_)
• John Fogerty Edit 3/13/17: added (MattressMan71)
• John Mayall Edit 3/20/17: added
• John Prine Edit 3/8/17: added
• John Talabot Edit 3/22/17: added
• Jon Bellion
• Joywave
• Jungle Edit 4/3/17: added (russell949)
• Justice
• Justin Martin Edit 3/9/17: added (itchycanscratch)
• Kamaiyah Edit 3/26/17: added (basedgod94)
• Kaskade
• Kaytranada
• Kenny Loggins Edit 4/3/17: added (zamest88)
• Kid Cudi
• Kill Frenzy Edit 3/9/17: added (itchycanscratch)
• King Gizzard & the Lizard Wizard Edit 3/12/17: added (Stayedgyyy)
• King Krule Edit 3/21/17: added
• Knife Party Edit 3/8/17: added
• Kraftwerk Edit 3/8/17: added
• Kris Kristofferson Edit 3/8/17: added
• KSHMR
• Kygo
• The Lemon Twigs Edit 3/10/17: added (undeadsinatra)
• Leon Vynehall Edit 3/7/17: added (b18Researcher)
• Liam Gallagher
• Lido Edit 3/9/17: added (litness19)
• Lil Uzi Vert
• Lil Yachty
• Limp Bizkit (lol)
• Little Dragon Edit 3/8/17: added
• Logic
• Lorde
• Louis the Child Edit 3/9/17: added (litness19)
• Lucy Dacus Edit 3/29/17: added (sadjebbush)
• Lukas Nelson & Promise of the Real Edit 3/20/17: added
• The Lumineers
• Lupe Fiasco Edit 3/16/17: added (undeadsinatra)
• M83 Edit 4/2/17: added (OMYXP)
• Mac Miller
• Maggie Rogers Edit 3/30/17: added (holocene22)
• Majid Jordan Edit 3/10/17: added (undeadsinatra)
• Manchester Orchestra
• Mark Ronson
• Masego
• Mark Pritchard
• Matisyahu Edit 3/8/17: added
• Matoma
• Maxwell Edit 3/27/17: added (kingreynoso)
• Mayer Hawthorne Edit 4/3/17: added (russell949)
• Mayhem Edit 3/29/17: added (sungod_drunkxxx)
• The Meters Edit 3/20/17: added
• Metric Edit 3/8/17: added
• MGMT
• Mick Jenkins Edit 3/9/17: added (litness19)
• Mighty Oaks Edit 3/29/17: added (optimize375)
• Mike & the Mechanics Edit 3/12/17: added (MattressMan71)
• Mitski
• Moby Edit 3/8/17: added
• Morrissey Edit 3/8/17: added
• Ms. Lauryn Hill Edit 3/25/17: added (mizupman24)
• Mura Masa
• Mutemath Edit 4/3/17: added (russell949)
• Nas Edit 3/8/17: added
• Neko Case Edit 3/8/17: added
• New Order
• The New Pornographers Edit 4/3/17: added (sadjebbush)
• NGHTMRE Edit 3/9/17: added (litness19)
• Nicolas Jaar
• NK Edit 3/20/17: added
• Noel Gallagher
• Noel Gallager's High Flying Birds: Edit 3/19/17: added (endroit)
• Noname Edit 3/27/17: added (kingreynoso)
• Norah Jones Edit 3/8/17: added
• Ozomatli Edit 3/8/17: added
• Passion Pit Edit 3/8/17: added
• A Perfect Circle
• Peter Bjorn and John Edit 3/8/17: added
• Pharrell Williams Edit 3/8/17: added
• Polish Ambassador
• Post Malone Edit 3/30/17: added (sabopper)
• Preoccupations Edit 3/21/17: added
• Pretty Lights Edit 3/8/17: added (donofkings_)
• The Prodigy Edit 3/8/17: added
• Purity Ring
• Queens of the Stone Age
• Rae Sremmurd Edit 3/8/17: added
• Rag'n'Bone Man Edit 3/31/17: added (kick_in_the_door)
• Ratatat
• Ray Lamontagne Edit 3/13/17: moved from "Out due to OSLs 2014" due to new material and tour since last OSLs appearance.
• Real Estate
• The Revivalists Edit 3/20/17: added
• Rick Springfield Edit 3/23/17: added (undeadsinatra)
• Ride Edit 3/28/17: added (stereoblabber)
• Ringo Starr & His All Starr Band Edit 3/22/17: added
• Roy Ayers Edit 3/20/17: added
• Royal Blood Edit 3/27/17: added (JuliaBee)
• Royal Jelly Jive Edit 3/28/17: added (BenderIsGreatBendr)
• Royksopp
• San Holo Edit 3/27/17: added (jonnytsunami22)
• Santana Edit 3/22/17: added
• Savages Edit 3/8/17: added
• Seun Kuti & the Egypt 80 Edit 3/21/17: added (COAchillENT)
• Shakey Graves Edit 3/22/17: added (ChristianDavid1)
• Shovels and Rope Edit 3/11/17: added (undeadsinatra)
• Sigur Ros Edit 3/8/17: added
• Silent Pilot Edit 3/26/17: added (spiderman49)
• Skrillex Edit 3/8/17: added
• Sleep Edit 3/21/17: added
• Sleigh Bells Edit 3/8/17: added (basedgod94)
• Slowdive Edit 3/16/17: added (matado on the Coachella forums)
• Smashing Pumpkins Edit 3/8/17: added (JustErick)
• Snoop Dogg
• SOHN Edit 3/10/17: added (undeadsinatra)
• Solange
• SoMo Edit 3/18/17: added (undeadsinatra)
• Soulwax Edit 3/31/17: added (TupacShabiggie)
• Soundgarden Edit 3/8/17: added
• Spoon Edit 3/8/17: contested and moved from "Out due to OSLs 2014" by (RoonilWazilbob) due to tour gap and new album.
• Steely Dan Edit 3/22/17: added
• Stevie Nicks Edit 3/22/17: added
• The Story so Far Edit 3/26/17: added (basedgod94)
• String Cheese Incident (Unless they are playing a set Friday and a set Sunday at Summermeltdown)
• Sturgill Simpson
• Super Furry Animals Edit 4/2/17: added (Lindanoche)
• System of a Down Edit 3/10/17: added (undeadsinatra)
• Tacocat
• Ta-ku Edit 4/1/17: added (Pm_me_celebs)
• Talaboman Edit 3/22/17: added
• Taylor Bennett Edit 3/14/17: added (litness19)
• Tedeschi Trucks Band Edit 3/11/17: contested and moved from "Out due to OSLs 2014" by (undeadsinatra) due to tour and new album.
• Temper Trap Edit 3/29/17 (Nqoba4)
• Thievery Corporation Edit 3/8/17: added
• Thundercat Edit 3/10/17: added (undeadsinatra)
• T.I. Edit 3/30/17: added (jonnytsunami22)
• Tim Hecker
• Travis Scott
• Tycho Edit 3/13/17: moved from "Out due to OSLs 2014" due to new material and tour since last OSLs appearance.
• Tyler the Creator
• Uncle Acid & the Deadbeats Edit 3/12/17: added (Stayedgyyy)
• Underworld Edit 3/8/17: added
• Valerie June Edit 3/13/17: moved from "Out due to OSLs 2014" due to new material and tour since last OSLs appearance.
• Vampire Weekend Edit 3/13/17: added (coolch1ck)
• Vanic Edit 3/27/17: added (jonnytsunami22)
• The War on Drugs Edit 3/31/17: added (joe_gw)
• Warpaint Edit 3/27/17: added (editorinchimp)
• Waters Edit 3/10/17: added by (dundeeslapped) despite having played in 2015 due to new album coming out in June.
• Wavves Edit 3/27/17: added by (RooneyChoo)
• What So Not Edit 3/15/17: added (DonkeyLightning)
• William Bell Edit 3/20/17: added
• Wiz Khalifa
• Wolf Parade Edit 3/8/17: added (mknap24)
• The Wood Brothers Edit 3/11/17: added (undeadsinatra)
• Worthy Edit 3/9/17: added (itchycanscratch)
• Wu-Tang Clan Edit 3/8/17: added
• XXXTentacion Edit 4/2/17: added (mileslwayne)
• Yeasayer Edit 4/3/17: added (russell949)
• YG
• Young the Giant: Edit 3/16/17: moved from "out" due to touring schedule by (take_5).
• Zhu
• ZZ Ward Edit 3/20/17: added

Edit 3/13/17 added: Past lineup drop dates:

• 2016: 4/5
• 2015: 3/24
• 2014: 4/8
• 2013: 4/16
• 2012: 4/17

Edit 3/27/17 added: Confirmations
Electric guest: Confirmed on 3/27/17 by A_lonerist https://www.reddit.com/OutsideLands/comments/61povt/electric_guest_confirmed/
Metallica: Confirmed on 3/29/17 by Ranger Dave and first reported by r-fitz_24 https://www.reddit.com/OutsideLands/comments/6290zj/osl_twitter_basically_confirmed_metallica/
Empire of the Sun Confirmed on 3/29/17 by Ranger Dave and first reported by 0kvn_prz0 https://www.reddit.com/OutsideLands/comments/5y60fc/i_have_compiled_all_the_data_from_this_sub_and/dfkrq94/?context=3
Sofi Tucker Confirmed on 3/29/17 by Ranger Dave and first reported by IrateDesperado https://www.reddit.com/OutsideLands/comments/62b3sw/new_hints_megathreadspeculation/dfl7nky/
Acts that were mentioned by no one that ended up on the lineup (in order of appearance)

• Above & Beyond
• Rebelution
• Dr. Octagon
• Bomba Estereo
• RAC
• James Vincent McMorrow
• Temples
• Survive
• K.Flay
• Foxgen
• Goldroom
• Hundred Waters
• Khruangbin
• Kali Uchis
• San Fermin
• Joseph
• The Japanese House
• Lee Fields & the Expressions
• Muna
• Mon Laferte
• Porches
• Jacob Banks
• Mondo Cozmo
• Frenship
• John Moreland
• Sam Dew
• Oliver Tree
• Lawrence
• The She's